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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2009-03-21 20:25
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On 2009-03-21 06:20, mishkin wrote:
"In general arches filter and impose themslves on the punters whilst suggesting an entrance/exit . The freestanding trilithons impose but lack the entrance filtering aspect imo. "
Entrance filtering aspect I suppose comes later, the idea of a portal into another world, in the case of the Gauls entering into the Otherworld, you do it through a sidhe or cave... there is an intriguing 'trilithon' type celtic portal at the temple of Roquepertuse. Its surmounted by a goose, with carved horse heads on the lintel, and skulls in its hollowed out niches.
Pyschology here is fear I suppose..............
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The Ishtar gate which is essentially an arch probably pre-dates
Roquepertuse .
George
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mishkin
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"In general arches filter and impose themslves on the punters whilst suggesting an entrance/exit . The freestanding trilithons impose but lack the entrance filtering aspect imo. "
Entrance filtering aspect I suppose comes later, the idea of a portal into another world, in the case of the Gauls entering into the Otherworld, you do it through a sidhe or cave... there is an intriguing 'trilithon' type celtic portal at the temple of Roquepertuse. Its surmounted by a goose, with carved horse heads on the lintel, and skulls in its hollowed out niches.
Pyschology here is fear I suppose..............
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tiompan
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On 2009-03-20 18:04, Aluta wrote:
I don't see the relevance. All I'm asking is whether the impulse comes from a common source in human psychology or a common history that would be way back not only before Rome but before Stonehenge.
And while I agree that architecturally they are different, they are about the same thing in what they are really-- a free standing portal to pass through. That's all I'm looking at. I guess it really is the psychology more than the actual history that intrigues me here. It is an odd cultural artefact in every culture it appears in, whatever version.
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On 2009-03-20 12:36, mishkin wrote:
Not sure you should go down this particular lane Aluta, Roman triumphal arches for one have spawned a whole lot of modern day ones...see this wiki.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphal_arch#Roman_triumphal_arches
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In general arches filter and impose themslves on the punters whilst suggesting an entrance/exit . The freestanding trilithons impose but lack the entrance filtering aspect imo.
George
George
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Aluta
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I don't see the relevance. All I'm asking is whether the impulse comes from a common source in human psychology or a common history that would be way back not only before Rome but before Stonehenge.
And while I agree that architecturally they are different, they are about the same thing in what they are really-- a free standing portal to pass through. That's all I'm looking at. I guess it really is the psychology more than the actual history that intrigues me here. It is an odd cultural artefact in every culture it appears in, whatever version.
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-20 17:53
I know it's not exactly the sort of trilithon you are looking for, but I think this is a pretty impressive picture of a some fairly old stones standing in a trilithon manner.
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tiompan
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Maybe I'm being pedantic but I think there is a quite a difference between two orthostats supporting a pillar and an Arch , the latter is quite a bit more sophisticated architecturally although nearly as old as Stonehenge .
George
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mishkin
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Not sure you should go down this particular lane Aluta, Roman triumphal arches for one have spawned a whole lot of modern day ones...see this wiki.......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumphal_arch#Roman_triumphal_arches
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Aluta
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-19 14:03
I know no one else is still thinking about this but I am.  What about celebratory arches like the Arc de Triomphe? Freestanding arches are like trilithons that are rounded under the lintel.
I wonder if all of these things began independently or if they have a common cultural ancestor from which they have evolved so far in different directions.
Ever since we began this thread I've been seeing these freestanding gates/trilithons/arches wherever I turn. And pillars of entry, of course, are very common. Symbolic entrance to a place with no walls--either a real place or a symbolic place such as victory. Or sometimes both as when we pass through one to enter a cemetery, entering both a separate place (usually full of standing stones although they call them gravestones) and another realm, the realm of the dead.
A cemetery we pass on a drive from time to time has a large stone trilithon through which you must drive when you enter. Very impressive and I don't think it's at all meant to be a Stonehenge replica.
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Aluta
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-16 01:24
Yes, Kevin, Malta, too, has them incorporated into buildings. But freestanding ones are interesting because they then become symbolic, a Metaphoric Portal as well as a Megalithic one.
Trilithons seem to me to be, just like those Asian gates and indeed similar things we see here sometimes at the entrances of parks, estates, and cemeteries, all about entering something new, passing from one thing to another, gates or portals that symbolise passing from one plane or dimension to another. One sometimes also sees in modern times pairs of pillars of entry with no lintel performing the same function.
What's interesting about Stonehenge is how the ring of uprights is linteled, giving it that sense of great men huddled together, their arms around one another's shoulders, or of a great and remarkable grove of stone trees into which one must enter humbly. Only then one encounters the great freestanding trilithons. Hearts of people who have never seen a skyscraper must have stirred upon the approach, since for many of us, ours still do today.
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| New Message Posted!2009-03-15 18:19
I would have thought that the valley temple needs considering?
http://www.ancient-mysteries.com/testpart/valleytemp/ValleyTemple/valleytemple.html
Where ever the uprights are connected across to each other .
Kevin
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