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TomLee
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|  New Message Posted!2009-03-18 13:41
Different language culture makes me confused.
Getting to the point, Underground where must be filled with soil or small stones when people had standing stones or menhirs in prehistoric times.
They must dig out ground for inserting standing stones or menhirs and then they also fill it out with soil or small stones not to shake or demolish.
I am so sorry.
I had look forward to dig out one of the menhirs like a pie devided, which is not registrated as a culture.
After that I recover its surface as an original one.
But, it was rearranged by heavy machine for harvesting. Some dolmens have also gone forever.
I can not see its original structure.
What should I do?
Do I have to rebuild it? or not?
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Tom, Lee
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AlbertResonox
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| New Message Posted!2008-12-19 18:24
Dragonstane Martinstane...same thing,I should've actually said Martinstane though as it's the better known name....and yes I was a MenziesHill resident for may years...went to St.Clements(almost around the corner from you)
Better pm further conversations about the area,rather than hijack the thread into Friends Reunited though....lol
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tiompan
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On 2008-12-19 06:34, AlbertResonox wrote:
As you seem au fait with the topography,you can perhaps share your thoughts...I've often wondered if any of the sites around that area were the pictish burial site of Alpin...Pitalpin St is supposedly where it is(a convent/old folks home there).There also used to be a spring close to the South Road..where the linoleum works used to be.
I was told there were more stones at Forth Crescent(by the crest where there is/was a large oak tree by a playpark)...there was definitely a mound there though,which were removed/destroyed AFTER the houses were built!
..The Dragonstane is an interesting visit...is it still accessible?
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You must have lived in the area . I lived opposite Balgarthno stone circle . Can't help with any of the sites though .All mentions of the Alpin burial site seem to point to the same place , whether there is anything in that , I don''t know . I can just remember the linoleum factory but not the spring although there was a well to the east
Not sure if the dragonstane is St Martins stone but if it is it is still surrounded by an iron fence and accessible when the field is not in crop .
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AlbertResonox
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As you seem au fait with the topography,you can perhaps share your thoughts...I've often wondered if any of the sites around that area were the pictish burial site of Alpin...Pitalpin St is supposedly where it is(a convent/old folks home there).There also used to be a spring close to the South Road..where the linoleum works used to be.
I was told there were more stones at Forth Crescent(by the crest where there is/was a large oak tree by a playpark)...there was definitely a mound there though,which were removed/destroyed AFTER the houses were built!
..The Dragonstane is an interesting visit...is it still accessible?
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tiompan
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On 2008-12-17 19:01, AlbertResonox wrote:
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On 2008-12-17 07:43, tiompan wrote:
Not many know about that one Albert , sadly the site is built over and not where it is sometimes claimed to be which was actually a mound built to watch for the coach from Perth and about a mile south of the real site .
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On what is the furthest western point of Menzies Hill High School playing fields...there was once a stone circle...also remains of a castle to the south of the main school building...the midden was still there at the time of construction of the houses at that part of Dickson Avenue.
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Yes , that's the spot but the mound that gets the credit is a mile away .
George
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AlbertResonox
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On 2008-12-17 07:43, tiompan wrote:
Not many know about that one Albert , sadly the site is built over and not where it is sometimes claimed to be which was actually a mound built to watch for the coach from Perth and about a mile south of the real site .
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On what is the furthest western point of Menzies Hill High School playing fields...there was once a stone circle...also remains of a castle to the south of the main school building...the midden was still there at the time of construction of the houses at that part of Dickson Avenue.
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| New Message Posted!2008-12-17 16:54
Laughing ball,
I don't know how or by what method the embankments etc have dispersed.
Similer with most megalithic sites, they are remnants , we are only viewing the solids in most cases, milleniums of weathering of all sorts will scour away what is not natural, the huge stones will withstand that far better.
Do you honestly view carnac as a graveyard?
I don't, I view it as a machine, where death and creation are central, but not exclusive.
The huge capstone chambers are not for burying physical bodies, but the journey of transfer across dimensions is involved.
We have been corralled into thinking almost soley of the biological body, and thus attempt to fit these ancient structures into our thinking mode, and look at them relative to the recent known condition/s relative to them.
It won't be an either or neither situation, just as present churchs are utilised across a broad spectrum, so will the megaliths, but that spectrum is broader than normally accepted, but thats for the bottom drawer area.
By the way,
have you noticed how the bottom drawer in any set of drawers is largest and contains most substance?
Kevin
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On 2008-12-17 14:56, cropredy wrote:
Do you know the date of construction of such as carnac?
Do You know the relevant water table to such area and if fresh water was available?
Even a river in flood fails to wash the banks away or the grass on the surface, why would any water raised have been flowing strongly enough to wash away the surface area?
kevin
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Only recently you were saying that Carnac would have had banks that were washed away?!
"...you can then visualise what is missing, I suspect huge amounts of embankments have been washed away, and as with most sites are only viewing the solid remnants."
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On 2008-12-17 06:27, AlbertResonox wrote:
The Dark Stane Roundie by Ninewells in Dundee once had a menhir(which gave the mound it's name)...and before anyone starts getting over excited about the name "Ninewells"...it isn't of numerical significance...it's of(early) Christian origin!
Not getting into a spat about stones drawing water to the surface.....the alignments in the Carnac area would have surely caused so much water to rise they would've created rivers(which in turn would have washed away the soil which in turn would've caused the stones to topple loooooong ago)
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Do you know the date of construction of such as carnac?
Do You know the relevant water table to such area and if fresh water was available?
Even a river in flood fails to wash the banks away or the grass on the surface, why would any water raised have been flowing strongly enough to wash away the surface area?
kevin
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TomLee
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| New Message Posted!2008-12-17 09:35
Thank you for the all information.
I will be back as soon as possible.
Tom, Lee
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