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chimera
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|  New Message Posted!2008-12-01 00:05
It's forgotten how you could get a bloody nose in a right royal punch-up:
Sharman the showman is an official bloody legend - smh.com.au"It's in their blood to fight" ... the impresario of Aboriginal tent boxing, Jimmy Sharman, receives his award at the Royal Easter Show yesterday and, ...
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/14/1050172535850.html - 24k - Cached - Similar pages
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mikecroley
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On 2008-11-30 18:11, sem wrote:
According to "The Mind in the Cave" by D Lewis-Williams (I've finally found a copy), shaman is a term derived from the Tungus language of central Asia and some researchers think it should be restricted in use to it's communities of origin.
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So much for researchers Sem!
mike
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sem
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According to "The Mind in the Cave" by D Lewis-Williams (I've finally found a copy), shaman is a term derived from the Tungus language of central Asia and some researchers think it should be restricted in use to it's communities of origin.
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On 2008-11-29 22:45, AlbertResonox wrote:
..but I do avoid the parlour tricks in pubs...too many possibilities(for error as well as correct "insights")and too many people who could take umbrage....it limits the chances of a smack in the chops.
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It appears your fears far out weigh your magical abilities Albert!
"I've learnt over the years, that the Spirit world puts people on my path who carry insights for me, and I for them".
That's usually my opening line Albert, and I've not gone home with a bloody nose yet.
mike
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2008-11-30 09:18
Ancient sites must be preserved. But for spiritual power, other places may speak more clearly to many people:
Jia Ren: World Heritage Site - Hiroshima Peace Memorial
http://jiaren777.blogspot.com/2006/06/world-heritage-site-hiroshima-peace.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2008-11-30 08:28
Archaeo; suppose that at the "beginning", everyone basically could do all this, what chyknel quoted as coming into a definition of a shaman. But after some time it came out that some were better at divination and others at composing incantations. Still others preferred to stay away from those INTUITIVE TECHNIQUES and began to pay for such services in case of a need.
Calling an intuitive practitioner with a peculiar name is IMO not so important. You can describe an Andean ayahuasca specialist with the name "SHAMAN", why not. From being a term used exclusively among Siberian people, it`s been transformed into a general description of similar intuitive specialists working all over the Earth. But when describing them one by one, we still use local names.
First problem, which outsiders encounter, when trying to understand shamanism - it`s that it has little to do with reasoning. Some old books can facilitate a feeling-in into the specifics of an intuition process. One of them is Tao te-ching of Lao-tsy. I`ve paid attention to this FLOWING with the STREAM as a general style of behaviour. You can pick from it something else, which turns out as useful for you. Did we reasoned, when doing our choices!? I suppose not. We simply assessed intuitively what a piece of information from this book could further build up our selves at a current stage.
And if you have problems with charlatans, it`s your own fault. The beginning of the problem is your flight from your self. Just do the intuitive work yourself and you`ll have no need to engage specialists, who allienate you from You.
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| Was there a shaman before anthropologists invented the term? It is never a self-referential occupation in another culture (Hi, I'm the shaman.), albeit it has become a self-reverential neo-moderism (Hi, I'm a shaman). |
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Defined as ..... "acts as a medium between the visible world and an invisible spirit world and who practices magic or sorcery for purposes of healing, divination, and control over natural events."
On that basis, they're everywhere..... churches, fairgrounds, forums....
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sem wrote:
... Consider your average Neolithic tribe. The shaman....
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Was there a shaman before anthropologists invented the term? It is never a self-referential occupation in another culture (Hi, I'm the shaman.), albeit it has become a self-reverential neo-moderism (Hi, I'm a shaman).
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On 2008-11-29 20:18, cropredy wrote:
If You had never been taught numbers , or how to count, would you utilise your hands for counting?
If Yes, what would you percieve when looking at your hands?
Remember You have no knowledge of numbers or any such ideas.
What would you instincetively do and why?
If No, what other method may you employ to keep count of time, or how many children You had?
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If that reply was aimed at me Kevin....I've no idea what it means...instinctively,intuitionally or from a psychic viewpoint...
Mike C...I did understand your reply..without the double entendre that Kevin delighted in(strangely enough for a man who eschews the written word)...I don't partake of anything stronger than alcohol myself...but I do avoid the parlour tricks in pubs...too many possibilities(for error as well as correct "insights")and too many people who could take umbrage....it limits the chances of a smack in the chops.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2008-11-29 21:31
Mikecroley,
"With a couple of puffs inside me"
I am surprised you can talk?
kevin
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