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TomLee
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|  New Message Posted!2008-11-03 12:40
Dear John Welch
Tell you the truth, there is some evidence that early Europeans were in Korea! There is also some evidence that early Southeast Asian were in Korea!
But, we must carefully consider much information as many as possible before we reach the conclusion.
So I am looking for DNA Data among us including prehistoric time( Any of DNA Data and any other information is very appreciated)
Now I accepted it as a possibility.
When I have got more details, I will let you know.
Thanks,
Tom, Lee
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2008-10-31 04:01
Tom,
Is there new evidence that early Europeans were in Korea?
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2008-10-29 14:34
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On 2008-10-27 13:43, tiompan wrote:
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On 2008-10-27 12:58, TomLee wrote:
I really appreciate that you guys gave me some info.
Oldest one is also very important but, we should not agree to its data due to poor proof. If there is detailed one please let me know it. I still need the other times' cup marks or ring marks that we could see what an age because of recently one.
Any suggestions are very appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom, Lee
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Hello Tom , this paper shows the Lower Paleolithic date is relatively secure . Other markings have been done up to the present .Dating in Europe is usually done by association i.e. if a marked rock is found in a cist that holds dateable bone we have the latest possible date for the carving , if it is notriceably worn then it must be quite a bit older etc . The examples we have from Europe suggest a Neolithic -Bronze Age date . In Africa and Australia dates have been derioved from the disturbed patination found on rocks .
George
[ This message was edited by: tiompan on 2008-10-27 13:44 ]
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ooops missed url
http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/eip1/shared_files/Man_in_India_2007.pdf.
George
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TomLee
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| New Message Posted!2008-10-29 12:55
Dear holger_rix
The data that you recommended me will be great source to understand cup marks.
I really appreciate it.
I will leave some message after reviewing it.
Tom, Lee
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holger_rix
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| New Message Posted!2008-10-27 14:27
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On 2008-10-23 04:20, TomLee wrote:
Tom, Lee is again.
Do you guys have any of idea regarding cupmark?
Why prehistoric people inscribed cupmark on rock?
What are reasons they make it?
Please let me know your viewpoint.
How is about the time?
Were cup marks only inscribed in prehistoric time of yours?
If it is not, please show me its examples.
Thanks and best wishes,
Tom, Lee
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hi tom lee
first off, big thanx for all your contributions about korea.
here are two links
http://www.artepreistorica.it/ebook/attiverbania/zipdf/9%20-%20(Coimbra)%20THE%20CUP-MARKS%20IN%20ROCK%20ART%20IN%20WESTERN%20EUROPE.pdf
http://www.stonewatch.de/free_downloads/worldwide_rockart/worldwide_rockart.html
[ This message was edited by: holger_rix on 2008-10-27 14:30 ]
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tiompan
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On 2008-10-27 12:58, TomLee wrote:
I really appreciate that you guys gave me some info.
Oldest one is also very important but, we should not agree to its data due to poor proof. If there is detailed one please let me know it. I still need the other times' cup marks or ring marks that we could see what an age because of recently one.
Any suggestions are very appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom, Lee
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Hello Tom , this paper shows the Lower Paleolithic date is relatively secure . Other markings have been done up to the present .Dating in Europe is usually done by association i.e. if a marked rock is found in a cist that holds dateable bone we have the latest possible date for the carving , if it is notriceably worn then it must be quite a bit older etc . The examples we have from Europe suggest a Neolithic -Bronze Age date . In Africa and Australia dates have been derioved from the disturbed patination found on rocks .
George
[ This message was edited by: tiompan on 2008-10-27 13:44 ]
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TomLee
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|  New Message Posted!2008-10-27 12:58
I really appreciate that you guys gave me some info.
Oldest one is also very important but, we should not agree to its data due to poor proof. If there is detailed one please let me know it. I still need the other times' cup marks or ring marks that we could see what an age because of recently one.
Any suggestions are very appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom, Lee
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tiompan
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On 2008-10-25 12:02, brigantia wrote:
...and though you won't get any archaeologists admitting it as such, a few I know have thoughts that some of our British examples may date from the late Mesolithic. Otherwise they tend to stick to the safety of neolithic dates.
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Clive Waddington suggests a meso date e.g. Hunterheugh , but with no good evidence to back it up .
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brigantia
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| New Message Posted!2008-10-25 12:02
...and though you won't get any archaeologists admitting it as such, a few I know have thoughts that some of our British examples may date from the late Mesolithic. Otherwise they tend to stick to the safety of neolithic dates.
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tiompan
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On 2008-10-23 04:20, TomLee wrote:
Tom, Lee is again.
Do you guys have any of idea regarding cupmark?
Why prehistoric people inscribed cupmark on rock?
What are reasons they make it?
Please let me know your viewpoint.
How is about the time?
Were cup marks only inscribed in prehistoric time of yours?
If it is not, please show me its examples.
Thanks and best wishes,
Tom, Lee
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Hello Tom , earliest date for cup marks go back to to the Lower Paleoithic (Chattan , India) .
George
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