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chimera
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|  New Message Posted!2008-09-05 23:14
Damn.. it was all starting to make sense.
[IMHO, light comes out of this planet, pushed out , in our case possibly from Australia , and flowing in the direction of the sun's field, the light of day is ONE bleedin big ORB.
At night when the push here is inwards and through to exit at Australia, there will only be specific points of emittance of light, and that will be pushing out due to the moons position.
The moonlight here is caused by this, not reflected from the moon as our sense's wrongly ASSUME. ]
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karloff
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-05 10:32
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On 2008-09-03 23:25, sem wrote:
Hy Chy
Excuse me if I don't reply using qutoes, but I get fed up with trying to follow various threads.
Yes this is a strange place and it's inhabited by many strange people. Unfortunately, many of them do not seem able to put thoughts into coherent language on paper (for the rest of us that is). However if you look past the language of "spirals" etc and go to a battlefield, any decent military historian could describe the flow of battle on such a site without "psychic" intervention. I would guess this is what these strangies are seeing.
Similarly (and I do not dowse), I can look for prehistoric sites I have never visited and find them with no trouble. It's called using your experience in whatever way you have learned it.
Start searching
Cheers
Sem
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Hi Sem
Interestingly I have been involved in a multi-disciplinary study on a battlefield which involved metal detectorists, archaeologists, military historians and local farmers (who knew the land very well).
The battle has been described by military historians based on some contemporary accounts and visual landscape analysis. It has always been assumed that these descriptions were very accurate.
However, after carrying out the metal detecting sweep and plotting every single object (ballistics, buttons, military fittings etc). It became very clear that not only was the battle much more complicated than previously thought but also some of the most significant aspects were incorrect. A natural feature (now buried and not visible) played an important part in the battle but when looked at archaeologically the feature really couldn't have had the impact described. The ballistics distribution showed a completely different emphasis and concentration that the "military history" stated and indeed the military experts on the team agreed the standard "story" did not fit the factual evidence at all, despite them being very confident about it before our joint analysis.
based on the evidence collected the whole "story" of the battle will have to be changed.
I'm not saying your statement concerning the ability to interpret landscapes is wrong, but unless controlled evidence collection takes place the detailed interpretations can, and often are very flawed. This is about levels of information. If you see a few bumps in a field then its not a problem to state "this is likely to be an archaeological site".
If however, you then went on to say "this site is 4000 years old, inhabited by a tribe of pygmies, who made silver jewellery" I'd say "rubbish".
That is the problem with the lost knowledge hypothesis, it may be that dowsers are indeed "interpreting the landscape" BUT to then jump to the conclusion that all of science is wrong and that there is a huge conspiracy and that only they KNOW the "real" answer is flawed.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-05 09:17
If I could just spiral in here?
This tarxien temple is very important in working out WHY, imo.
If you look at picture 26, you will see the spirals on the centre block now wearing away, but if you look at the uprights further back, you will notice sort of burn marks on them.
I can SEE these sort of matks on many megaliths, at such as Avebury etc.
They precisely correspond to where the flows of plasma travel.
This place has been protected by been buried, so the remains are more clear, this tarxien temple is to manipulate the dual flows of creation, and is especially concerned with the goddess or female flow which I find spins in a positive direction and emitts upwards from the earth.
FERTILITY and RE-BIRTH are what this is about and WHY, imo, it was built.
We may not exist as a species , if this had all not taken plae, and there is every possibility that this lost knowledge may be required again, SOON.
We are electrical beings at the mercy of outside forces.
We are a consequence of these forces, and can interact with them, some of us can, if we allow the contact, and pull up the bowler hat that has fallen over our eyes and blinded us to this reality.
http://mynthon.net/zdjecia/view/Malta/tarxien%20temple%2026_jpg
kevin
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Chyknel2
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-05 08:09
"Yes, a bowler hat with an arial may well work."
Sorry Sem, I didn't express myself clearly. I wasn't saying a bowler hat with an aerial might work as a dowsing tool, simply that it would work as a pseudo scientific prop to lend credibility to the dowser's "art", like rods already do.
Truth is, there is as much scientific explanation and evidence offered by dowsers that rods are doing anything at all in terms of detecting woo woo energies as there is for saying a depressed whippet on a string is essential to the process. In other words, none.
In the league table of world daftness dowsers are probably rated as less daft than creationists and Moon landing deniers, without justification. That's probably down to the fact they wield their Oh-so-scientific rods.
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-04 23:28
Sorry Chy. missed your last paragraph.
Yes, a bowler hat with an arial may well work. IF dowsing works, it is a human ability and rods are only a tool to enhance or improve that ability.
Funnily enough I met a dowser who, when he found a very important location, needed desparately to take a pee.
To me he seemed more clued up getting rid of it than those who take it.
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-04 23:19
Apologies to Haliburton for deviating from the topic, BUT
Chy2
Battlefields are not featureless fields. They consist of approach routes, possible lines of attack and defence, possible ways of retreat/pursuit. You could also add supply lines, local support and nearby strongholds. Given that the battle is within his period of study, I would bet that any military historian could give a reasonable account of how a battle might unfold on an unknown site.
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Chyknel2
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-04 06:53
Sem...
"if you look past the language of "spirals" etc and go to a battlefield, any decent military historian could describe the flow of battle on such a site without "psychic" intervention"
Of course. Through reading the original accounts, analysing the musket ball scatters and deducing things from the lie of the land....etc etc.
On the other hand if a military historian who knows nothing about a battle wanders into a featureless field and starts pontificating that he senses how it went he'd be risking being locked up. Ditto anyone who does the same at a prehistoric site.
It's strange, if an old history professor or archaeologist came on here and said he could do that sort of stuff they'd be dismissed as potty, with no extenuating circumstances. Yet we have "dowsers" here saying it and "oooh" say some (dowsers mainly!) "we have to accept they might actually be doing it!"
How come? Well my theory is it's because they hold "rods". Rods lend some sort of pseudo scientific explanation to what is actually walking around and kidding oneself. A bowler hat with an aerial attached on top would serve the same purpose.
[ This message was edited by: Chyknel2 on 2008-09-04 06:59 ]
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-03 23:25
Hy Chy
Excuse me if I don't reply using qutoes, but I get fed up with trying to follow various threads.
Yes this is a strange place and it's inhabited by many strange people. Unfortunately, many of them do not seem able to put thoughts into coherent language on paper (for the rest of us that is). However if you look past the language of "spirals" etc and go to a battlefield, any decent military historian could describe the flow of battle on such a site without "psychic" intervention. I would guess this is what these strangies are seeing.
Similarly (and I do not dowse), I can look for prehistoric sites I have never visited and find them with no trouble. It's called using your experience in whatever way you have learned it.
Start searching
Cheers
Sem
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KenWilliams
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-03 22:06
Hate to break the news there Mike but in the spirit of The Onion
"New-ager in materialist revelation: shocks bong-sharing buddies by pronouncing - 'Hang on a minute, we're just friggin naked apes on a rock, wearing clothes!'"
[ This message was edited by: KenWilliams on 2008-09-03 22:07 ]
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mikecroley
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| New Message Posted!2008-09-03 18:38
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On 2008-09-03 14:08, haliburton wrote:
And on the question of there being free will: “Everything is determined, the beginning as well as the end, by forces over which we have no control.
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You fool. we are that force!
mike
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