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chimera
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|  New Message Posted!2008-07-01 08:18
Well said, Vlad, and it is similar to Aboriginal experience. Most of us have lost it, but my daughter studied our dog for years and has found out what it is thinking. And it can read us.
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| New Message Posted!2008-07-01 07:14
Now the right sailing weather is coming... So; here are the last
SAILOR`S TALES from me, pivoted on Apollo and the other-way-round situations.
Have you ever noticed that as soon as a thought is emerging in your mind - "And how my dog is feeling!?", he comes to life from his passive attitude and is hoping to make a friendly contact with you!? Then; when you caress your dog, making joyful sounds, - it`s maybe just the OLDEST MUSIC in Europe!? But it would be ridiculous to market it as unique, I suppose.
On the contrary; language of emotions is COMMON for all LIVING BEINGS. Maybe without it, you don`t "live" at all, when looked at through the eyes of animals and nature spirits around you. So let`s take another gulp of the DRAGON`S BLOOD, before we sail out to the world of passion. As once Siegfried of the Volsungasaga, you can surely understand the shrieking sea birds, too, - if you only give it a try. - "It`s mine!! Leave it!! Go away!!" It`s so simple.
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-30 16:13
Well; it`s good to know at least that you cannot ask a local Sami shaman for help unless you live on his territory, covered by the symbolic map on his drum. This is what I talk about as a prime target in a geomantic analysis - to establish first the outer borders of a "local wholeness" (Flat Earth), before going over to the details of the STUFF circulation. And to get at one with someone or something goes through the emotional mind. "COM-PASSION" aroused with a song is not only useful to calm down and harmonize human souls. Yoik is the tool of doing the same to a landscape full of living beings - visible and invisible. And in the process, you are becoming the landscape itself.
Rules of scientific investigation cannot be applied to YOIK and you cannot count on a long-time learning of a singing technique. In my case; one acquaintance of mine just told me she couldn`t enter a flat left by her aunt, who died some days before. Indeed, I could find the de-bodied aunt sitting still there - in her wardrobe, warding off any attempts of emptying it. All of a sudden, a yoik came upon me, dealing with her resplendent beauty in old days, her having been highly appreciated by other women as a teacher, memories of all her beloved men and festivities they took part in together... this kind of stuff. Yoik came out in sequences of differentiated slow rhythms and melodies, as I was READING different memories TOGETHER with her. The song was like a living interface between us.
Through OUR (!?) com-passion we arrived at a moment, when I could help her. Instead of a gong, I used simply a bathtube to emit a mighty sound marking the end of our yoik and she began to loose her grip about the past life. But first after one week my acquaintance dared to enter the flat and by that time the aunt has gone forever, at last.
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-30 11:56
Did they sing Yoik when digging up mount Kebnekaise with antler horns? What do they use to plug the flow of STUFF along Nordbotten?
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-30 09:32
YOIK (Jojk) - this is the right spelling in English. And a good start to explore this "oldest form of music in Europe" is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoik
I think, the original shamanic yoik (now heavily commercialized) is
equally good to describe a sacred landscape, - as are "languages" used by Kevin, Paul or myself.
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vlad
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-28 10:02
What I do is in its "SCIENTIFIC" character a bit similar to the last song of Haris Alexiou, above. One of mine can be found on the following Australian site. To be at one and on the outside, at the same time - is the recipy, I suppose.
http://www.geomantica.com/geom39.htm#4
Well; it`s about going into unity with the spiritual layer of a place, while noting down its features on a map - with help of a
CHOSEN PARADIGM. In that article; for a general (communal) view, I`ve used basic terms of Chinese geomancy. Interaction of one single person with a fragment of this sacred space was described with help of Hindu chakra concepts.
Now; terms used by Kevin and Paul are equally good, I suppose, in their own right. I imagine, there are two conditions,
though, to stick to. First it`s the PERSONAL character of an interaction with the "sacred space" on the spot (or in a photomap, in my case). The second is the way of registering of
this interaction in such a way, that a "local wholeness" is taken possibly into account. Repeatability of those insights is poor, just because of the personal character of the mystical union with a landscape. But if you only began your own search in the field, after some years you could SING the same SONG in your own interpretation. As a closest analogy, the Laponian way of "singing the landscape" - YOYK, comes to mind.
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-28 09:48
Have you been to the square temple ruins in Pliska, Bulg?
It may be Scythian with Buddhist influence, as it has a walkway around the central chamber.
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-28 09:25
"Vlad" is not Swedish. Is "VladiMIR" used as a name? It may relate to Norse "Maere" temple, meaning "great" connected with the root "me" ("ruler"). Old Swedish "bram" is similar, as in "p:alsbram" ("royal robe"). Possibly these Persian-Brahmin words came to Sweden from Russian-Sarmatian influence. What is your opinion?
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-28 09:25
Perhaps only after listening to that disc with the antique Greek Music, you could understand what the Nymph Haroula is doing, when calling on Apollo to reveal Himself - as here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCCRtAiKPJw&feature=related
So this was that... but I like more Dionysos and without cooperation those two cannot do much. Oh, yes... "Vlad" is only
playing with my partially Balkan roots; but not Vlad the Impaler, no, no...
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| New Message Posted!2008-06-28 08:17
There are sculptured in stone music-notes extant within the sacred precinct of Apollo at Delphi. And here`s their rendering in "Musique de la Grece Antique" (CD)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Greece-Gregorio-Pagiagua-Atrium-Musicae/dp/B0000007LU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1214637427&sr=8-1
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