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AngieLake
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|  New Message Posted!2008-03-10 00:59
Going back to the original discussion I had with Chimera about the inverted 'V' mark on Stone 16 (if you check out the photos on Stonehenge's site page you will see it is a 'fat' protruding V), I was intrigued by the picture of Kerloas Menhir in Brittany that rw1 [Radek Winkler] posted on 6th March.
When reading The Captain's comment tonight, about the hump [about 20cm in diameter] about belly height on this tallest stone in Europe, I felt sure it had some links with the 'V' mark on Stone 16, especially when he mentioned the legend about newly married couples rubbing themselves against it* for good fortune and future fertility. *[There is more than one on Kerloas, apparently.]
I'm convinced that the 'V' on Stone 16 [at a similar height from the ground] made this outer circle stone important to Stonehenge as the fertility rite stone, positioned at the SW, in an area where it is the nearest stone to Winter Solstice sunset, and where it would probably receive some light from the rising sun at Summer Solstice.
[Remembering that the outer side has a pregnant belly effect when viewed from SE.]
Burl often mentions similarities between Brittany's monuments and Stonehenge, and this may be one feature that was copied if there is such a link.
(Many more comments about this 'discovery' in the current 3 pages!)
Also, look out for Jack ME's forthcoming article about his observations around this feature on Stone 16.
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Jimit
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|  New Message Posted!2008-03-03 16:58
This rightly belongs in the Alternative section.
Too many errors to even consider this as a theory. The authors have obviously never been to Stonehenge, "the nearest river is 20 miles away", "the ditches would have held water", on chalk ?
The rollers would have worn groves in the top of the lintels, the impracticability of keeping the grain on top of the lintels, how do you feed the grain in? Mediaeval wind mills had huge sails just to move one or two modest grindstones, the wind power for this to succeed would have been unobtainable.
Wheat as we know it now was not grown in the Neolithic period.
Why demean this fabulous structure by trying to suggest that it was a somewhat prosaic windmill?
Jim.
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beatles
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| New Message Posted!2008-03-03 12:42
there is a new website just up that discuses an entirely new theory about the ancient use of stonehenge.......please check it out at
http://www.granaryatstonehenge.org
they have a video of a working model of their theory.
very interesting and unusual new scientific idea.
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-19 00:36
JackME has written a feature about his observations at Stonehenge and their relation to the discovery of this 'V' mark as part of his 'Great Stone Circles' series and it should be posted very soon. Hope this doesn't slip out of everyone's thoughts before then!
HAS anyone had any more thoughts??.......
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-09 01:21
PS: Sorry I mis-read your comment. It IS late!
I see what you are getting at, with the shape of the rays coming down in two 'bunches' of rays. Half-close your eyes, and maybe you could substitute the pattern - unlikely, but it's worth considering.
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-09 01:17
Hi Chimera
No - I don't think any of the 'triangles' on Stone 16 represent sun rays. The one I mentioned earlier [shallow, inverted] at top of stone can be seen on shots taken 6 Dec 06. I've given tips to access the photos in comment above.
I posted a new pic of the stone showing the fat inverted 'V' on 8 Feb (yesterday). Found it unexpectedly in a book, hence the scan not being too clear.
It's interesting to see how it shows up with full light illuminating the inner face, rather than coming from the side, as it did in Dec 06.
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chimera
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-08 03:42
Is the top triangle complete, or is it a wide V? Here is the width of Egypt's sun-rays, which seem similar in width to the bottom V.
BBC - History - Akhenaten and the Amarna PeriodColossi and wall-reliefs from the Karnak Aten Temple are highly exaggerated and ... beneath the rays of the rising sun in the decoration of the royal tomb. ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/akhenaten_03.shtml - 25k - Cached - Similar pages
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-07 23:50
Another quicker way of accessing the pic while there are no direct links to it, is to enter West Kennet Long Barrow in the search box, press 'enter', and then select 'Possible Discovery at West Kennet Long Barrow'. In the article I'd posted about the 'male' and 'female' stones at the end of WKLB's main chamber there are links to pics of the stones, and also a quick link to Stone 16 at Stonehenge.
Maybe the admins will also provide the links to some of the PID numbers in the previous comment on this subject?
Thanks.
[Obviously, you can also trawl through the Stonehenge main site page of pics!.... (The link with Tim's great pic of stones reflected in the water).]
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-07 12:39
Maybe the admins can provide a link to the pics of Stone 16 for this discussion? Sorry, but I don't know how you do it!
PID:26301 and 26302 were taken 6 Dec 06 and the photos which led to the 'discovery'. These will show what appear to be diagonal 'hatch-marks' too, and the upside-down shallow triangle at the top of the stone.
There were close-ups taken at 2007 Summer Solstice, PID:36073, 36074 and 36075, where the fat inverted 'V' can be seen, albeit faintly, in relief. (This is why I think the winter date was the important time because of the way the rising sun shone obliquely across it, highlighting it sharply.)
The belly side is visible in another 07 Summer Solstice Eve shot PID:31309. I'm pretty sure I posted another of this side.
The numbered diagrams of the remaining stones at Stonehenge in my old official 'Min of Public Buildings and Works' leaflet show outlines of the shapes of those stones looking down on them from above.
Stone 16 appears almost heart-shaped, or else like a fat kidney, with a straight back (the inner face).
When looking at it from the south-eastern side, it seems to have a kind of bulge like a long, full, skirt. This can be partly seen in PID:26302. On its outer SE corner there is apparently a modern 'bench-mark'. [Must check this out next visit.]
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AngieLake
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| New Message Posted!2008-02-07 11:23
On 2008-02-07 05:55, chimera wrote:
The weapon-carvings of dagger etc. suggest regalia sword etc. held by a monarch at coronation. Could the inverted V represent the sun-rays in the manner of the Egyptian symbol of rays reaching down? Then the sun would be giving the authority to Mr Big to use military strength.
I don't think so Chimera.
It is too 'fat' to represent sun rays. However, there did seem to be lots of diagonal criss cross hatchings further up the stone. You can see this in both photos I posted (not necessarily camcorder ones...without looking while writing this, I can't recall their definition.)
As I said, besides a 'vulva-type' fertility symbol, the other thing the inverted 'V' could represent was a tilted antler-pick. These seem to have turned up quite often as symbolic offerings to the gods, too.
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