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tiompan
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|  New Message Posted!2007-10-22 13:54
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On 2007-10-21 17:07, archaeo wrote:
[quote]Condros wrote: .... are there any other structures in Europe that resemble the Newgrange, Knowth, and Dowth types ?? ....
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Another antecedent construct to consider is the chambered long barrow. A good example is West Kennet Long Barrow at the Avebury complex. Others are in Brittany.
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Hello archaeo Typology is an archaeological minefield Clare comes up with 588 possible henge classes and there are similar problems that cloud our view of stone circles , kerb cairns ,ring cairns . Despite this I think WKLB is an “antecedent construct “ in that it was built before Knowth etc. but was younger than Petit Mont , which shares many more similarities to the Irish passage graves, by approx 900 years .There are sufficient differences internally , externally to view WKLB as a totally different type of monument from those found in the Bru .
The external difference is obvious, long as opposed to round . Internally the passage graves allowed access to the chambers for generations after construction of the covering cairn . WKLB was used for organised deposition , e.g. male skulls in the end chamber , for no more than 40 years before being backfilled within a century . The burials in passage grave were cremations and the passage & chambers were never backfilled .
Long barrows like WKLB are found in a handful of countries in SW England and in Brittany but not in Ireland where the closest monument type would be a court tomb .
What could be considered as a closer “type “ of monument to the Irish –Breton –Iberian examples are the chambered tombs of Orkney and NE Scotland e.g. Maes Howe and Clava cairns which have the common denominators of , passage , corbelling, marked rocks , circular cairn , possible astro alignments etc I didn’t include these in the earlier post as I believed they were not as good a fit as the other two .
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-21 17:07
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| Condros wrote: .... are there any other structures in Europe that resemble the Newgrange, Knowth, and Dowth types ?? ....
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Another antecedent construct to consider is the chambered long barrow. A good example is West Kennet Long Barrow at the Avebury complex. Others are in Brittany.
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tiompan
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-20 20:02
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On 2007-10-20 11:30, Condros wrote:
Since this is the first reference on this forum that discusses the "Bru na Boinne", I was wondering , besides the Algarve in Portugal, and one similiar structure in Spain, are there any other structures in Europe that resemble the Newgrange, Knowth, and Dowth types ??
To me it would signify a strong connection between the Iberian peninsula and Ireland during the neolithic and the bronze age, at least to the type and usage of this type of structure.
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The passage graves of Brittany are generally accepted as being the earliest of the Brittany - Iberian -Ireland trio . Ireland being the youngest . There are lots of similarities in , architecture ,external appearance , use of of rock art on structural stones , grave goods , possible astronomical alignments etc . Probably the closest to to say , Newgrange ,would be Petit Mont in Morbihan .
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-20 11:30
Since this is the first reference on this forum that discusses the "Bru na Boinne", I was wondering , besides the Algarve in Portugal, and one similiar structure in Spain, are there any other structures in Europe that resemble the Newgrange, Knowth, and Dowth types ??
To me it would signify a strong connection between the Iberian peninsula and Ireland during the neolithic and the bronze age, at least to the type and usage of this type of structure.
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-12 13:42
Thanks - the latest Googlmapandearthings are to be found here:
http://google-latlong.blogspot.com , if you spot anything of interest let us know. The 'on page' Google maps have come on a lot in the last year so I will have another look as to how best to integrate them into our site pages.
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-10 19:31
As ever sir, impressive.
That which the sites are constructed to, was there before construction, and remains after destruction.
Kevin
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| New Message Posted!2007-10-10 15:11
Google Earth has updated the aerial imagery for the Bend of the Boyne. Check out Knowth, Dowth, Newgrange, and all the other features. The update approached Tara, but has not yet replaced the old imagery for that landscape. Other ancient features are visible elsewhere on the island in the new imagery updates.
Download the new Google Earth placemarks file, boyne.kmz, here:
Ancient Monuments Placemarks
The three Boyne passage mounds have lunar minor alignments (within a few meters of accuracy) given 24 degree obliquity and zero altitude. More info, in context, here:
ArchaeoBlog
[ This message was edited by: archaeo on 2007-10-10 15:12 ]
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