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TheCaptain
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|  New Message Posted!2007-01-13 10:23
From Darvill's "Long Barrows of the Cotswolds".
"Not a long barrow, but the remains of a portl dolmen....... The stones would never have been covered by a mound; rather they projected out of a low flat topped platform that surrounded the setting."
He also gives dates for the three remaining elements here.
Whispering Knights ~ 4000 BC
Kings Men (circle) ~ 2200 BC
King Stone ~ 1500 BC
So, take your pick !
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WinterBloom
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-11 13:59
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On 2007-01-11 11:21, coldrum wrote:
English Heritage Pastscape record:
"Monument Number: 968858 (SP 23 SE 31)
URL to bookmark this monument:
http://pastscape.english-heritage.org.uk/hob.asp?hob_no=968858
A free standing portal dolmen which forms part of the Rollright Stones monument complex. The portal dolmen measuring approximately 1.8 metres square and comprising four vertically set stones between 1.5 metres - 2.4 metres in height and a fallen capstone. It was thought to originally be covered by a long barrow. This interpretation seems most likely especially in view of Ravenhill's find of a human skull fragment within the chamber although Grinsell's suggestion that it was a `cove' connected with the stone circle (SP 23 SE 29) has not been fully refuted. Excavations around the stones in 1983, designed to locate traces of a mound and quarry ditches, showed that no substantial features remained. The east side showed traces of the original soil which contained Neolithic, Iron Age and Roman pottery. The occurance of the latter suggests that if there was a mound it may have been removed by the end of the prehistoric period. No evidence of any quarry ditches were recorded, however, there was ambiguous evidence for a round cairn or platform mound. Flints including a scraper and plano-convex knife have been recovered from ploughed land within the immediate vicinity of the stones. The portal dolmen is estimated to date to between 3800-3000 BC. Scheduled. "
The Rollright legend:
http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/index.shtml
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Thanks Coldrum. The information at the site itself mentions a low cairn or platform mound, but i was sure I'd read previously that it may have been completely covered by a barrow, but couldn't find that info.
Thanks again.
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English Heritage Pastscape record:
"Monument Number: 968858 (SP 23 SE 31)
URL to bookmark this monument:
http://pastscape.english-heritage.org.uk/hob.asp?hob_no=968858
A free standing portal dolmen which forms part of the Rollright Stones monument complex. The portal dolmen measuring approximately 1.8 metres square and comprising four vertically set stones between 1.5 metres - 2.4 metres in height and a fallen capstone. It was thought to originally be covered by a long barrow. This interpretation seems most likely especially in view of Ravenhill's find of a human skull fragment within the chamber although Grinsell's suggestion that it was a `cove' connected with the stone circle (SP 23 SE 29) has not been fully refuted. Excavations around the stones in 1983, designed to locate traces of a mound and quarry ditches, showed that no substantial features remained. The east side showed traces of the original soil which contained Neolithic, Iron Age and Roman pottery. The occurance of the latter suggests that if there was a mound it may have been removed by the end of the prehistoric period. No evidence of any quarry ditches were recorded, however, there was ambiguous evidence for a round cairn or platform mound. Flints including a scraper and plano-convex knife have been recovered from ploughed land within the immediate vicinity of the stones. The portal dolmen is estimated to date to between 3800-3000 BC. Scheduled. "
The Rollright legend:
http://www.rollrightstones.co.uk/index.shtml
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WinterBloom
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On 2007-01-10 22:43, cropredy wrote:
If possible winterbloom, I would prefer to carry on this discussion over on the sacred sites side of the portal door, otherwise It will cause a problem.
kevin
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Ok, no problem.
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 22:43
Winterbloom,
No it is not a joke, I stood on top of the knights this year.
This is something I do not promote at all.
I have been suitably told off about this.
I took my shoes off which i consider is relevant due to close contact.
If the stones were covered and part of a barrow, which I am convinced they were, then you would have been able to stand on the point , sort of a finite point on top of the stones.
I recently went to Carnac, and stood on several similer points.
Therefore you would have been able to stand on this spot both internally and externally in and above the barrow.
The effect was stunning and almost mind blowing.
The sound and resultant other world feeling and shaking about was the same as i have experienced at similer spots, and in the centre spot of many labyrinths in cathedrals in France.
The resultant sounds and feeling are dependant on the celestial alignments of mainly our nearest moon and planets.
I took my shoes off , out of respect for the stones, I dont accept the almost hysterical notion that we cannot stand on them, but defer to the vast majorities wish's.
I did this with the prime reason of taking pictures of the crop circle that had occured last year, and i was the first person to photo it.
The rollrights are still operating somewhat as in my opinion they were designed to do, manipulation of the aether.
If possible winterbloom, I would prefer to carry on this discussion over on the sacred sites side of the portal door, otherwise It will cause a problem.
kevin
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WinterBloom
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 22:20
Interesting stuff.
On the subject of being serious - i think it's v serious if a stone whispers something to you?
What did it/they say Kevin? Or is this a joke?
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 22:02
Winterbloom,
Said too much already, must be serious, its like listening to radio 1.618, and hearing space.
I consider there was a henge on the opposite side of the road, just before you reach the king stone, with an embankment and ditch, another barrow will have been very close to the circle of stones ( which isnt a circle) at the far side as you walk in, at 90 degrees to the alignment to the whispering Knights, all just my opinion of course, I am merely a dowser, so ?, and I just follow certain things that do certain things, when compared to dozens of other places, I deduce certain things.
Kevin
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 21:32
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On 2007-01-10 20:53, cropredy wrote:
Winterbloom,
I have I believe everything written about the rollrights.
The most thorough is by George Lambrick , of the Oxford archaeological unit of 1983.
They conducted a survey of all around the area.
He has reported on all the known references and drawings of the knights, and carried out a field survey around them, they produced a drawing of a portal barrow, but could not state as fact if this was true, neither could they say if it was a round mound or a long barrow.
I have my own method of looking at such structures, and by comparing what I detect at other similer long and round barrows can formulate my own idea as to what it was.
Unfortunately you have raised this question on the serious side of this portal door way, and if I discuss my way of looking at these things, it wakes them up and gives them a rash.
So I will say this quietly, just to you, shhh, its a long barrow.with two flows from the circle creating spirals along them, behind the stones looking from the circle, I also KNOW why they are called the whispering knights, so really quietly, shhh in a whisper, you need to stand on the spot where they are, on top of them, but they have been imprisoned and earthed somewhat by IRON railings.
I have been whispered to by them.
Kevin
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ha, marvellous! Thank you for the info.
so - the million dollar question.. what did they say to you Kevin? And did you have to ask them to speak up?!
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 20:53
Winterbloom,
I have I believe everything written about the rollrights.
The most thorough is by George Lambrick , of the Oxford archaeological unit of 1983.
They conducted a survey of all around the area.
He has reported on all the known references and drawings of the knights, and carried out a field survey around them, they produced a drawing of a portal barrow, but could not state as fact if this was true, neither could they say if it was a round mound or a long barrow.
I have my own method of looking at such structures, and by comparing what I detect at other similer long and round barrows can formulate my own idea as to what it was.
Unfortunately you have raised this question on the serious side of this portal door way, and if I discuss my way of looking at these things, it wakes them up and gives them a rash.
So I will say this quietly, just to you, shhh, its a long barrow.with two flows from the circle creating spirals along them, behind the stones looking from the circle, I also KNOW why they are called the whispering knights, so really quietly, shhh in a whisper, you need to stand on the spot where they are, on top of them, but they have been imprisoned and earthed somewhat by IRON railings.
I have been whispered to by them.
Kevin
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WinterBloom
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| New Message Posted!2007-01-10 20:31
Does anyone know if the Whispering Knights Portal Dolmen at Rollright was originally completely covered over, so the stones were not visible?
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