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rbatham
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|  New Message Posted!2007-05-27 14:17
It's over a year since I posted this thread. Has there been any update or info from Bradford uni.?
Roy
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rbatham
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-12 07:51
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On 2006-09-11 15:29, kelpie wrote:
Note Andy's addition to the Gristhorpe page here
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Thanks for providing the link and the article in the data base.
I.m a bit sceptical about the carbon date 1600- 1400BC I have seen many documentaries where the carbon date has proved to be way out. Libby the inventor also said that dates are not reliable. It relies on the equilibrium of C12/C14 which may or may not have existed through time. Also diet of a body plays a part. Meat eaters absorb less carbon that cereal eaters and ages may appear to be younger. Roy
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kelpie
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-11 15:29
Note Andy's addition to the Gristhorpe page here
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rbatham
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-06 13:40
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On 2006-09-06 08:04, mishkin wrote:
There's another line of different age barrows here at Winterbourne Stoke; also has a longbarrow.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/aburnham/eng/wint.htm
Barrows can also be found on crest of hills, and also under - false crested. The barrow cemeteries round Bath follow a linear pattern of two - does that mean two generations? I dont know but they are on good farming land so would presumably be part of the general landscape, a territorial statement of the people.
Jimit mentions the Mendips,the oldest settled area around here, and it has two linear barrow groups, the Nine barrows near Priddy and the Ashen Hill group which I think has seven, within half a mile of each other.
Might just do a trip out there today - weather looks good and barrows are fascinating plus there might be a stone or two next to Priddy church....
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The more i read about burials the mor e confusing it becomes. The romans also used barrows and tumuli. Saxons laid the corpse on the ground and biult over it. Coffins were used sometimes for persons of rank. Now I find that the Normons also used that process until the establishment of the 'village church' about 11/ 12th C. Even then burials were permitted for persons of rank inside the church. These were mounds which got so numerous that access to the church was impeded. A law was passed 13thC that burials must be below the pavement. The 'poor were still buried outside under mounds. So it seems that the tumuli all over England could date from Bronze age to well into the Norman era. Anyone know of a village church where burial mounds still exist.? They could be Normon. Roy
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-06 08:04
There's another line of different age barrows here at Winterbourne Stoke; also has a longbarrow.
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/aburnham/eng/wint.htm
Barrows can also be found on crest of hills, and also under - false crested. The barrow cemeteries round Bath follow a linear pattern of two - does that mean two generations? I dont know but they are on good farming land so would presumably be part of the general landscape, a territorial statement of the people.
Jimit mentions the Mendips,the oldest settled area around here, and it has two linear barrow groups, the Nine barrows near Priddy and the Ashen Hill group which I think has seven, within half a mile of each other.
Might just do a trip out there today - weather looks good and barrows are fascinating plus there might be a stone or two next to Priddy church....
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rbatham
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-06 03:51
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On 2006-09-05 20:04, flatcap wrote:
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On 2006-09-05 06:29, rbatham wrote:
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Ninestones alone has 9 alignments, four of them with tumuli. All four have been dug at various times in the past with nothing found. Interestingly, all four barrows are built upon a layer of flint as is the Nines. One old farmer reckoned some GI's told him they found the remains of a Roman building with fancy floors in the woods between the nines and Poor Lots barrows whilst digging latrines weeks before D day. Cool! I've seen a lot of mosaic floors in Dorchester over the years and they ALL have Swastikas in them. I wonder if the yanks, or even the Romans buried stuff at the Ninestones?
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Hi Mike, yesterday Jimit gave me a multimap ref. I have looked at it and panned around. Lot of stuff there that didn't know about. Been to Corfe castle. think it dates from Saxon times Then last night thinking about it 'dorCHESTER, ROMAN. they made a lot of tumuli as well as ancient brits. Mosaic floors with swastikas are not uncommon. The swasyika was an eastern good luck charm, how far east I don't know.Read somewhere that a floor was found in Israel o Palestine with them. Roy
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-05 21:02
As the thread is about a grave site in Yorkshire, and I am a Yorkshire man.
I have often wondered where I would want to be buried?
Where you live and the experiences and memories must be important?
But really we cant choose?,Who knows where we may be?
So many chances to travel world wide now, but they would bring you back to where you live?
So by that criteria, I suppose I could end up in Cropredy , in sunny Oxfordshire, would that be right for a Yorkshire man?
I have checked out this spot, in my own little way, and it seems to fit the bill?
Definately if the burial spot was around the church, it would definately fit the bill.
the whole of the area around and in the church , are aligned and are creating spirals that I can detect, and so is the new burial ground?
I have enquired as to WHY, they chose the new area specifically, but they just look at me blank?
So WHY choose a particuler spot?, this seems to be the question, without visiting Gristhorpe I cant check the spot in person, but if I presume it is the same as ALL barrows that I have wandered around?
They are all positioned precisely in line with a detectable set of lines, also water is detectable under these spots , and this leads to a detectable flow of what I know as plasma earthing in a series of spirals under the site of the barrow.
You can please yourselves whether you consider this relevant or not, I have said enough.
Kevin
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On 2006-09-05 06:29, rbatham wrote:
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Dorsetshire, I used to know quite well. often camped at Swanage (1960's) Visited many ancient sites there. Tumuli are plentiful I know, but hardly grouped together like our modern day cemetaries. wall to wall graves. Have many been excavated in recent years? The point Kelpie made about two other tumuli at Gristhorpe having no remains may indicate what I have just cheked uo on.Cremation was often practised and the ashes buried in tumuli or barrow. Archaeologists of 1834 may have missed any ashes. Pity because the ashes today can tell us a lot. Roy
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Ninestones alone has 9 alignments, four of them with tumuli. All four have been dug at various times in the past with nothing found. Interestingly, all four barrows are built upon a layer of flint as is the Nines. One old farmer reckoned some GI's told him they found the remains of a Roman building with fancy floors in the woods between the nines and Poor Lots barrows whilst digging latrines weeks before D day. Cool! I've seen a lot of mosaic floors in Dorchester over the years and they ALL have Swastikas in them. I wonder if the yanks, or even the Romans buried stuff at the Ninestones?
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rbatham
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-05 13:47
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On 2006-09-05 10:15, Jimit wrote:
For a very good example of tumuli being placed near an old trackway, the area to the east of the Hardy Monument in Dorset could hardly be bettered.
As for cemeteries being a relatively modern invention... Aveline's Hole in Burrington Combe in the Mendips held several bodies dating from the Mesolithic Era.
Quote. thanks Jimit for those links. had quicka look at multimap, that's incredible. so many in lines.
What I meant by cemeteries being modern is the ones around London (where i originate from). Willesden Green covers acres, must be close to 1/2 million graves. dates from late 19th C. Roy
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| New Message Posted!2006-09-05 10:15
For a very good example of tumuli being placed near an old trackway, the area to the east of the Hardy Monument in Dorset could hardly be bettered.
Multimap Link
As for cemeteries being a relatively modern invention... Aveline's Hole in Burrington Combe in the Mendips held several bodies dating from the Mesolithic Era. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3130348.stm
Jim.
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