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jasonvaughn
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|  New Message Posted!2006-07-10 14:55
Got my facts a bit wrong earlier on: Constantine legalised christianity (edict of Milan), it wasn't adopted as state religion till AD380. Sorry.
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-10 14:05
I guess also that when you're in the depth of a northern winter the idea that the sun may never return would be quite a terrifying one (if giant wolves don't already scare you enough).
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mithra
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-10 13:19
On 2006-07-10 10:11, jasonvaughn wrote:
'anyone heard of a scandinavian myth of a giant wolf devouring the sun at the end of the world and sending us into a perpetual winter. If so what is the wolf called?'
In my version the wolf is called 'Fenrir', who was fathered by the trickster god/giant 'Loki'.
Loki led the giants into battle against the gods Thor and Odin. This was the last great battle known as 'Ragnarok'.
The wolf, Fenrir, devours Odin (whose followers were known as the 'beserks'!) the fire-giant 'Surt' sets the earth ablaze, the sky falls and the world is engulfed in the rising seas.
But the Earth re-emerges, green and fair and a new fairer sun journeys across the skys.
This is the short-form version! They think that this myth is based on the terrible Icelandic Volcano Hekla eruptions. This last battle, ragnarok, had a powerful hold over the Viking imagination. Mithra.
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jasonvaughn
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-10 10:41
Found it Fawlty! His name was Skoll: copied this from http://WWW.Timelessmyths.com:
Skoll and Hati were two giant wolves that pursued two heavenly bodies – Sol (Sun) and Moon.
Skoll and Hati were descendants of the troll-wives or giantesses known as the Iarnvidiur.
One of the signs of the coming of Ragnarök was that Skoll would devour the goddess Sol, and Hati would swallow Moon. The Nine Worlds would suffer from long winter.
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jasonvaughn
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-10 10:11
Didn't the Emperor Constantine have a dalliance with Mithras before he decided Jesus Christ was the man for him and adopted christianity as Roman state religion? Also talking of light and stuff - anyone heard of a scandinavian myth of a giant wolf devouring the sun at the end of the world and sending us into a perpetual winter. If so what is the wolf called?
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-09 12:52
This bloke seems to know about old mithras,
http://www.well.com/~davidu/mithras.html
The timing of the alteration from taurus looks sound?
Kevin
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-09 12:29
Mithra,
The invisable one?
Visited upon birth by the magi ( magic, etc)
Born of a virgin,
on the 25 th of Dec,
gifts from three?
So who the jesus christ is mithra,
Or, who the mithra did jesus think he was?
which came first?
The chicken or the egg?
Kevin
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mithra
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-08 22:18
Thought I should put in a word as 'Mithra' is my call name!
Mithra was a Persian sun deity and God of light.
Mithra represented the power of Goodness.
Originally he was the personification of MITRA meaning 'contract' and so the preserver of law and order.
He was also the God of War against the demons and their worshippers.
He eventually became the object of a cult under the Roman Empire about 68B.C. By the 3rd century A.D. it rivalled christianity.
Every Roman Mithras Temple (note:above ground) had a central relief of Mithra slaying the bull, which was, an ancient Persian rite representing the renewal of creation - a world without hunger.
(This would be a REAL bull - nothing to do with Taurus.)
This became part of his birthday celebrations, 25th December, when the days started to lengthen heralding the return of the sun-light, as done by many cultures/cults e.g. Viking 'Yule'.
Therefore the 25th December could not be ignored by the Christian church. Hence 'Christmas',which means:feast/celebration of christ.
Jesus was just one of many Messiah's. He was not born on the 25th December but sometime in March 4 B.C. and died A.D.29/30.
Oxford english definition of cult is: 'System of religious worship; devotion, homage, fad.'
( Therefore Christianity is also a 'cult'.)
Should be noted that a lot of untrue bad press has been written about Mithra. This has mainly come from popular novels, in other words, it's 'made-up'.
I picked him for all his original intent - sun, light, goodness and the removal of demons!
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-07 19:53
Cromlech, failing been able to visit a site, this site shows panoramic views,
http://www.museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/mithras/frames.htm
Kevin
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TimPrevett
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| New Message Posted!2006-07-06 22:43
IIRC there's a stone circle just off to the North of the Temple. Haven't been in person (yet) to either, but was near there last year, and spent much time in intimate visual union with my 1:25000 map.
Tim
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