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Thorgrim
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|  New Message Posted!2006-02-15 08:34
Thanks for that Anonymous - but why not leave your name or register with us? I too love Tryfan and the Glyders. I have some spectacular photos too.
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Anonymous
User not Registered | New Message Posted!2006-02-15 08:07
Adam and Eve are completely natural.
My lads and I have jumped the gap many times.
Adam is a foot or so taller than eve. When you make the jump, you are jumping from one downward sloping surface approximately 1m by 1.5m, across a 2m gap onto another downward sloping surface approx 1.5m by 1.5m. I wouldn't recommend it when the surfaces are coated with veerglass as they often are outside summer months. If you did fall, you would not fall more than around 2.5m but at 914m (just short of 3000ft) the feeling of exposure is phenominal, you might find yourself with a bent head and a broken leg on a rocky ridge two hours from your car, a helicopter might be required, if you want a little bit of an adrenalin rush you should try it.
The name Tryfan (pronounced "Tri van") is composed of two Welsh words; Try, meaning three and Fan, meaning a peak or a large hill. When the hill is viewed from the side, the three rugged summit peaks can be seen.
Tryfan is an ideal Sunday morning jaunt. The start of the main ridge route is straight off the main road by Llyn Ogwen. It's an absolutely cracking little rock scramble that can be achieved in between one and two hours depending upon fitness and experience.
Tryfan is one of the peaks that make up the mountain range called the Glyders. The glyders comprise four peaks over three thousand feet and one (Tryfan) that falls just a couple of feet short of the magic number. From Tryfan, if you fancy a challenge, you can drop down to the other side and scramble up Bristley Ridge. Tryfan and Bristly Ridge together probably make up the best easy rock scramble in the UK outside Scotland. Ideal for experienced climbers introducing athletic beginners with a head for heights to the joys of mountaineering. Not ideal by a long shot to climbing novices. You might want to biuld up to it.
Once at the top of Bristly Ridge you can stroll across the summit plateaux (if you can see it in the mist) past the cantilever (another very interesting natural rock formation) and up to the Castle Of The Winds, Glyder Fach and Glyder Fawre. From Glyder Fawre you can drop down again to the bealach between Glyder Fawre and Y Garn. If you've had enough at that point you can drop down past Twll Du (The Devils Kitchen) and back to the road. That little jaunt usually takes around five hours or you might want to continue up to Y Garn. From there you can then continue out to the last 3000 footer in the Glyders; Elidir Fawre, the most distant of the Glyder peaks. To do the lot, Tryfan, Glyder Fawr, Glyder Fach, Y Garn and Elidir Fawre, just taking it nice and steady, with no heroics, you might want to allow around nine or ten hours from starting out to getting back to Ogwen.
I wouldn't recommend it as a day out for novices. The summit plateaux of The Glyders can be a very disorientating place in bad weather. I,ve seen more people wandering ariound in circles with map and compass clutched in little blue hands up there than on any other British Hill. just as an added natural joke, there are magnetic rocks up there that make can make compasses useless, it's all good fun.
Sorry Megalithic, I went off on one didn't I?
If you want a few rather unimpressive megalithic cairns you can try ther next mountain range along; The Carneddau but distinguishing the real Mcoy from their modern counterparts can be a bit tedious to say the least when weighed against the slim rewards of finding them.
If you do venture onto Tryfan, The Glyders or any others of our little UK hills, please don't underestimate them or you might have a slightly more memorable day out than you planned for.
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jasonvaughn
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| New Message Posted!2006-02-01 08:36
Elderford:
I have to come clean! I put the intelligent design comment in as a sarcastic comment (I had just been annoyed by the BBC UK Horizon programme on the debate in the USA on Darwinism and the teaching of intelligent design as science). And yes it was a throwaway comment.
I was just trying to say that structures such as adam and eve are perfectly explicable by natural processes but that some people can look at these things and see the hand of a creator.
Personally I am an atheist but I can see why people look at things in a reverential awe and see the hand of a god in many things. Also I agree with you - religion has no place in science.
[ This message was edited by: jasonvaughn on 2006-02-01 08:40 ]
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nicoladidsbury
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| New Message Posted!2006-01-31 23:59
This is an interesting post!
I often wonder at the weathering of the stones. The Devils Arrows and Nine Stone's Close share similar weathering patterns. They have "fluted" weathering channels. I think these fluted formations must have formed from the action of glacial melt, as the ice sheets melted over long periods of time. But I don't know if I am right.
But then I also wonder what the ancient people of this land thought of these strange shapes. The natural rock carvings at Robin Hoods Stride and quite magical to me. I guess quite a few people who like stone circles feel the same way - we visit these places and connect to them - which is probably why there are "spiritual" type threads going on here and at TMA.!
Still, I'm more than happy to hear your thoughts on what could have created the strange weathering patterns on the Devils Arrows!
It has been puzzlling for a while now 
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Anonymous
User not Registered | New Message Posted!2006-01-31 16:41
Intelligent Design is the new word for Creationism.
I don't mind debating the values or otherwise of this theory.
The bait I rose to was reading a posting on a pre-history forum that appeared to be discussing geology but then added a throwaway comment at the end about how what science accepts as natural weathering could infact be an example of the work of a Creator.
Both this site and TMA appear to have an awful lot of faith inspired threads. I avoid these. So when I dip into what I would regard as a valid thread it's a disappointment to find that the whole post may well have been just an excuse to crowbar in a comment about the existence of an all powerful being.
elderford
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Anonymous
User not Registered | New Message Posted!2006-01-31 09:37
I think that humanity has always tried to understand the world around itself, and the way in which we interpret the world and universe around us depends largely upon the culture in which we are immersed and the available information. And of course that information can take the form of scientific knowledge, folklore, tradition and even prejudice. So maybe certain peoples at certain times have constructed structures that made sense to them from their standpoint but are quite mysterious to us. Perhaps that's the draw of the stones.
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sem
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| New Message Posted!2006-01-30 22:09
Hi Elderford
Maybe that is the point, that our ancestors spent millenia looking at how rocks weathered and then tried to recreate the forms they liked best.
It's a point worth looking at (among many others).
Cheers
Sem
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cropredy
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On 2006-01-30 15:04, Anonymous wrote:
An exposed rock is made up of a material unable to bear the changing conditions of temperature and weathering over the course of a couple of hundred thousand years and this somehow reveals the mind of God to you because it weathers in a way that makes it look less like an unweathered rock and more like a shape you find pleasing?
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Made a booboo, sorry,I meant to say, that the actions of the forces of nature, will create, a shape that is pleasing to our eyes, it will be devine, but I dont know if it is anything to do with any god ?
K.
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cropredy
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| New Message Posted!2006-01-30 21:13
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On 2006-01-30 15:04, Anonymous wrote:
An exposed rock is made up of a material unable to bear the changing conditions of temperature and weathering over the course of a couple of hundred thousand years and this somehow reveals the mind of God to you because it weathers in a way that makes it look less like an unweathered rock and more like a shape you find pleasing?
elderford
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Anonymous
User not Registered | New Message Posted!2006-01-30 15:04
An exposed rock is made up of a material unable to bear the changing conditions of temperature and weathering over the course of a couple of hundred thousand years and this somehow reveals the mind of God to you because it weathers in a way that makes it look less like an unweathered rock and more like a shape you find pleasing?
elderford
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