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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 March 2009 | "fell my vengence", is that like chopping down a tree? Well thats the people of Stanton told. Just how do you propose being in several places at once and how do you know it is the residents of the village that are responsible, has someone told you or are you making wild assumptions based on something intangible? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Tuesday, 24 March 2009 | and talking of chopping down trees, are you one of those campers who ignores the "no camping" and "no fires" signs because you believe it is your God (other deities are available) given right to camp, have fires and chop down trees because you feel like it? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 March 2009 | Actually you have the wrong end of the stick. I do not camp or make fires or chop trees down. I regularly stop people doing such things. I was there on Saturday to spread a friends ashes (not near the stones) and to take archaeo-astronomical measurements through a telescope. I wonder how you know that damage has occured in several places? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 March 2009 | Because " am setting up several fake target cars that will be moving around the area over the next month " posted by someone else who has had a vehicle damaged, so it would be fair to assume that damage has occured in more than one location. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 March 2009 | Peter - you really ought to stop stirring things up. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 March 2009 | Just read all this and my immediate thought is that it is very suspicious that comments have been posted by a local in rapid response to angry comments from victims.
Why would any local be looking at this web page for any other reason than to wait for a response to damage caused.
Very very suspicious.
They just would not be looking here without a specific reason. Just set up loads of night vision video cameras and you'll soon catch them - then hand them over to the Police | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 25 March 2009 | What a half witted comment about locals viewing this website, do you think that it's use is limited to those people who have an interest in megaliths? get real this is the world wide web hence www. That means everywhere in the world not just the world of pagans and stone worshippers, in fact this thread is under one about the protestors. Then to cap it all you state that you will use loads of night vision cameras so if the vandal is using this site, they will possibly think it could be dodgy to damage anything else......DUH as Homer would say | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Thursday, 26 March 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) |
I've just read through the comments above about the damage to cars in the area but as everyone is anonymous it is a bit difficult to work out who is answering who. I am a resident of Stanton and obviously a user of this site but am hacked off with the amount of crap and damage caused to an area of outstanding natural beauty by apparant nature lovers in the form of campers. I was up on the moor this morning and found beer tins, an animal gate from the mast path to the moor left wide open and I would bet that residents are not responsible for such abuse of the area. There is a lot of hyperbole about recriminations and setting up target cars and residents being responsible, these comments drive even larger wedges between the visitors and the residents. What is clear is that the campers should not be camping, the signs are clearly displayed about that and setting fires, but some people are too arrogant to take notice of them, this is what causes resentment. The landowner should do far more to restrict the camping, the Police should do what they are paid to do and everybody should respect both the moor, the property of others and the views of the residents and the amenities of the area. Either last year or the year before there were a number of residents cars damaged on the main road in the village, I don't recall anybody blaming the visitors, unfortunately damage happens everywhere and it is not always directed at individuals or types of people, it is sometimes the actions of brain dead people with no respect for others. Come to think of it, that description could be applied to the campers who have no respect for other peoples land rights or nature.......... | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 | I go up there top practice my beliefs, not to leave litter and cause damage. I am just as hacked off by people leaving gates open and crap everywhere. I will go round picking it up.
As for local residents, I once spoke to some lads from Stanton regarding the fire pit they built a few feet away from the King Stone. I have also spoken to people with disposable barbacues and stopped othere getting live wood to burn. What do you do apart from whinge on forums?
The moor was there and being enjoyed and used by ordinary folk long before the rich took it for them selves and passed laws allowing them to keep it.
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 | So why do you think your pseudo-pagan 'beliefs' give you the right to impinge on ordinary folk's rights to enjoy the moor? The many ordinary folk who pass through there have a right to quiet enjoyment, ie a little time at the stones without tents and t***s to spoil the view. NO CAMPING - geddit?
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 | Fully agree
There are plenty of people that go up there to pick litter and to keep an eye on the area
As for the comment about 'pseudo-pagan' beliefs - I believe that contravenes your human rights and for anyone to denegrate your religious beliefs in any way is an offence under the 2002 Human Rights Act
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 | Who are you to call my beliefs pseudo you don't know me? I do not for one minute think I have any sort right on impinge on other folks rights to enjoy the moor. If you knew anything about pagans then you would know this.
You got that wrong like you've got the tent bit wrong. I do not not nor ever have camped adjacent to or within sight of the stones, they are far too important. Geddit?
Brother - how can I track somones IP please?
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 | Not straight forward but fortunately I am a coding wizard...I've already grabbed the IP and reported it to the Police. They take things like this very seriously. So do I | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Friday, 27 March 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | Maybe removing the anonymous option would make the forum less confrontational? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Friday, 27 March 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | The no camping and no fires sign is as you enter the moor from any direction and includes the whole area not just the area around the Stones. I think including anti pagan beliefs within the HRA would be a non starter, after all doesn't it need to be religion? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Friday, 27 March 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | After re-reading the alleged breach of someones rights under the HRA, somebody is paranoid to believe that that is an offence or abusive, in fact I cannot see what is wrong with what was said, no swearing, no threats in fact a nothing statement against anyone. Someone needs to get a life!!! | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Saturday, 28 March 2009 | Hi Skeeth, in answer to your question, it is recognised religion. The UK prison system and the British Royal Navy recognizes it as a religion and the Home Office has formally recognised it as such. The Human Rights Act, clearly covers this you should look at Article 9: Freedom of conscience.
Anonymous on Friday, 27 March 2009 asked me why I thought my beliefs pseudo-pagan 'beliefs' give me the right to impinge on ordinary folk's rights to enjoy the moor? It was subjective and I found this to be personally offensive, it was clearly aimed at me following my earlier post. You wouldn't say something like that to a Muslim, Jew or Christian. Psuedo means false, fraudulent, or pretending to be something it is not. To me the comment was subjective and rather disparaging, I have never thought this the moor is there for all of us to enjoy in our differnt ways.
You talk about nobody being abusive or offensive yet somone has called my beliefs pseudo, then you imply that someone who is trying to support me is paranoid and needs to get a life!!!.
How abusive is that?
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Saturday, 28 March 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | Notice one essential difference between my post and yours? you have no name, it is difficult for any useful discussion on this thread when everybody is hiding behind the moniker of "anonymous" i will stand corrected on the status of paganism but I was up on the moor this morning and found three beer cans, one illegal camper, two recently chopped/hacked down trees and the animal gate insecure. In addition I found a Grolsch beer can cut into a ribbon and wrapped around a tree. Now if all those things are part of pagan beliefs, it deserves no recognition, if however there are the actions of vandals then it re-enforces my opinion that the moor is being abused and that us as locals resent that. I would no more consider crapping in the centre of St Marks Square as I would on Stanton Moor but people consider acceptable to do the latter. Vandalism takes many forms, leaving beer cans, hacking down trees, lighting fires and letting down tyres, unfortunately they all happen here and the common thread is people illegally camping and parking. If people were to stop treating the moor like their back gardens and more like a shared environment we would all be better off. I have no problem with you and your beliefs, my problem is when those who express a belief and come up here and turn that belief into vandalism. This thread was originally about damage to cars and the accusation by another anonymous person that the residents were to blame, whilst I cannot condone damage to cars I also cannot condone damage to the moor and that is definitely being caused by campers. Enjoy your beliefs but not to the detriment of others. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Saturday, 28 March 2009 | That's a very level headed response. Joy to you.
I am absolutely certain that no-one that visits the moor for any form of religious purpose (and there are many) has anything to do with chopping trees down or damage in any way (other than the issue of biodegradable ribbons being attached to the oak tree - another matter for another time) . These are people that literally worship the whole moor and they have every right to do so . We can all feel its magic
It needs more ranger patrols (I have seen them be very effective in the past) and probably more intervention from concerned onlookers at the slightest sign of a problem. Another point to note is that not everyone (legally and considerately) parked overnight is camping or having fires.
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Monday, 30 March 2009 | Unfortunately intervention by concerned onlookers and indeed by the park rangers is now discouraged as it very often leads to nasty verbal abuse from campers and there is a very real concern that the day will come when someone will be subjected to physical attack. The problem, simply stated, is this: some campers are there to celebrate the moor, some are there to party and it is impossible to separate the two. And unfortunately we are in a situation where there are far more 'bad' guys up there than 'good' guys - that's why the 'new' No Camping rules are in place. Our moor has got itself a national reputation for being a great place to come and camp for free and get off your face and that absolutely has to stop. I appeal to all moor-lovers to PLEASE help us out in this and STOP CAMPING, at least until the message has got out to those who are damaging the moor that their behaviour will not be tolerated.
I'd like to add that to those speaking of being offended, I'm very offended that someone thinks that local people would stoop to something as low as slashing tyres. To echo another posting, you don't know us: please don't insult us in this way. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Wednesday, 01 April 2009 | I know for certain it is someone from Stanton in Peak (possibly several people). I shall not post any evidence yet as it is part of an ongoing Police enquiry but rest assured I will prove my accusation in the near future.
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2009 | We and our neighbours regard this post and several others regarding alleged criminality in Stanton residents as defamatory, and have taken action accordingly. Our information is that police have no suspects in this matter. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2009 | I take people damaging my tyres as a direct threat to my life.
You cannot possibly be as focussed or serious as I am so prepare to eat your words. See post to Skeeth re: last word
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2009 | Is that Edward Munch the painter? | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Thursday, 02 April 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) |
WTF are you on about, you hide behind the anonymous moniker and make accusations that the village is against you, best for all if you were not to return to Stanton because you just seem to be on course for causing more trouble than there is already. What on earth does the last sentence mean, are we all to walk around with our heads down staring at the ground in a hunched stance like residents of a cave. GET A LIFE! | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2009 | I'll take that as a direct threat. Excellent.
Thanks for spreading the word in your village. Mission accomplished
I now have no need to post anymore on this site so I shall leave you to this 'discussion', feeling as though I have had the last word, and concentrate on tempting the perpetrators into trying it again
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2009 | Dear Anonymous (presumably that must be your full name as you have an inability to even identify yourself by username)
A direct threat can only be issued face to face or name to name and as there are numerous people on here called anonymous, that would be difficult to achieve. As I said before and I'll say again, whoever you are you are not welcome in this village because your attitude is wholly and utterly wrong. How are you going to tempt the perpetrators into trying it again, booby trapped car, night vision cameras, surveillance teams, this is Stanton not Minority Report. As I have said previously, there have been criminal incidents in Stanton in the past and yet I never heard anyone say it was anything to do with the illegal users of the moor. Yes there may be a vandal in the village (in all probability and statistically there could well be, but to blame the whole village is stupid and defamatory. You make it sound (or some other anonymous user) like this is something from the Wicker Man and that the villagers go round meting out rough justice. We all agree that damage to anyones car is wrong but do not, repeat do not, automatically assume that us the residents of Stanton are to blame. Who are the people who are habitually carrying knives and axes in the streets, the residents? No it is the campers who like to cut down trees despite there being an abundance of dead wood in the area. Maybe you should be looking closer to home!! | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Thursday, 02 April 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | Sorry I forgot the sign the message above, it is I Skeeth, for some reason it did not put my username on and it doesn't do to hide behind anonymous. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Friday, 03 April 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | "Smell it - and then smell it again" once is enough thank you. I take it that is reference to the excretia smell that alway seem to follow some campers. Went up this morning and found a camp left littered with beer cans, food tins and half a bbq, now what puzzles me, if a person can carry a full beer tin and full food tins onto the moor, why can they not carry the lighter empty ones back with them? Is it lazyness or disrespect for the moor and the wildlife on there? The same sort of disrespect given to peoples cars? I pose a question, the answer to which is being avoided by anonymous.
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Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Thursday, 09 April 2009 | my mum, and our family have camped responsibly for over ten years on the moors, before the protesters even began, we always clear rubbish, its not fair to tarnish everyone with the same sticky brush! mandy in lincoln. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by skeeth on Thursday, 09 April 2009 (User Info | Send a Message) | Mandy,
Not everyone is being tarnished by the same brush but you are not symbolic of all those that camp on the moor, it does not take many to ruin what is there for all and that is the reason why the "No camping No fires" signs are up there. I think that there should be a better way out of the impasse that exists but that is down to the landowner to establish but I do not think he can allow camping per se. The protesters have maintained areas of the moor and have tended to leave it cleaner than before but we still have the annual Solstice carnival to look forward to and that is a huge excuse to wreck the tranquility of the moor. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Monday, 30 March 2009 | Sentiments I second, it is the few that are causing problems for all. This last weekend a group set up camp on the moor, they took with them a table, camping equipment, calor gas cooker plus their own firewood! Now their impact on the moor may have been small but they still had to walk passed and ignore the signs numerous times. | [ Reply to This ]
Re: Nine-year protest camp over by Anonymous on Friday, 03 April 2009 | It appears that the group above left some beer bottles and the wheels of a pushchair they were using to transport their equipment, neither bottles or plastic wheels are indigenous to the moor so their impact was complete and negative. | [ Reply to This ]
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