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<< Our Photo Pages >> Leygore Manor - Chambered Tomb in England in Gloucestershire

Submitted by 4clydesdale7 on Tuesday, 24 September 2002  Page Views: 10333

Neolithic and Bronze AgeSite Name: Leygore Manor Alternative Name: Turkdean I
Country: England County: Gloucestershire Type: Chambered Tomb

Map Ref: SP1178816648  Landranger Map Number: 163
Latitude: 51.848307N  Longitude: 1.830277W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
1 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
3 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
4 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
4

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4clydesdale7 visited on 31st Jan 2012 - their rating: Cond: 1 Amb: 3 Access: 4 Met the Landowner - very little evidence now remaining - ploughed out late 1800s

Leygore Manor
Leygore Manor submitted by 4clydesdale7 : The length of the Long Barrow from ENE or (you can just see three progressively wider mounds - front to back) Round Barrows 1c,1b and 1a (Vote or comment on this photo)
A badly damaged long mound with possible Chambered Tomb in Gloucestershire

Whenever there is some controversy in Gloucestershire Archaeological circles there often seems to be a lot of 'huffing and puffing' and very little 'solid thinking' - take this site for instance.

The Ordnance Survey referred to this site as a Long Barrow as early as its 1883 6inch edition - frequently regarded as extremely accurate it is often given 'biblical status'.

In 1883 the famed G.Witts published his Archaeological Handbook of Gloucestershire (known to contain 'the odd error or two'). Referring peremptorily to the site consisting of a row of three Round Barrows without further description - Nos 64;65;66.

Then the fates took a hand - the incumbent farming family set to work with a modern plough virtually destroying (but not quite all) the evidence. The archaeological worthies refused to take on the analytical task preferring either to ignore it or 'sit on the fence'. Along came EH with their 'spy in the sky' coupled with some muddled thinking (not unknown for them) - nothing but chaos if you ask me!

BGAS refused to stay silent and suggested that the the site was one or the other or perhaps both!. 1960 Vol.79 pp.92 & 136 - Darvill/LV Grinsell in their 1989 Review BGAS Vol.107 refused to enter the fray - making no mention at all! Although Darvill's work The Long Barrows of the Cotswolds makes a passing reference to it (GLO57) as being one of a pair of adjacent Long Barrows, even though no-one has ever actually seen its dopellganger just to the East (Leygore Manor 2 - GLO58).

Pastscape contradicts itself (Monument 329915; Gloucestershire; Cotswolds; Turkdean) saying at one point it prefers the '3 in a line' theory on the basis there is no broadening (expected where there is a Long Barrow) and then glibly states that the round barrows are 20m to 30m in diameter - (nice one!)

G.Witts must have had some political clout and the rest must be concerned for their finances - why will they not contradict him?

The current position on site really does suggest that it is a Long Barrow. The southwestern end seems more prominent being about 2ft high and 10/15m wider - it stands where you would expect if you relied on the 1883 6in OS Map and the same farming family were astonished to hear yesterday (31/01/12) that there had ever been any suggestion of 'three barrows' - they ought to know what they ploughed!

By the way pastscape seem to think there is a 'lost Long Barrow' in the area - according to the Saxon Charters there should be one called 'Balesbeorge' or 'Bal's Barrow' in the neighbourhood - sic transit gloria mundi!


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Leygore Manor
Leygore Manor submitted by dooclay : The slightest suggestion of the barrow here? (Vote or comment on this photo)

Leygore Manor II
Leygore Manor II submitted by dooclay : Nothing remains to be seen at this site - personally I thought the visit not worth the candle (Vote or comment on this photo)

Leygore Manor
Leygore Manor submitted by 4clydesdale7 : The WSW end of the Long Barrow or Round Barrow 1a (the most prominent of the 'three') from the footpath to the south (2 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

Leygore Manor
Leygore Manor submitted by 4clydesdale7 : The middle of the Long Barrow or Round Barrow 1b from the footpath to the south (2 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Re: Leygore Manor by davidmorgan on Thursday, 02 February 2012
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I've repositioned this as per the 1884 OS map. You can see it as crop marks.

It's always sad to witness the vanishing of long barrows. This one near Salisbury is rapidly disappearing.
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    Re: Leygore Manor by TheCaptain on Thursday, 02 February 2012
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    Just been looking at the aerial pictures on Google and Bing.

    Concerning "its dopellganger just to the East", What is in the clump of trees? I am always a bit suspicious of big clumps of trees like that. Or am I seeing something, just below and to the right of the clump, right at its edge. Can I see a similar shaped and sized crop mark barrow there - sama alignment as the first?

    Probably just imagining it !
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      Re: Leygore Manor by 4clydesdale7 on Thursday, 02 February 2012
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      I walked through the small clump of trees two days ago - plenty of undergrowth but no 'suspicious mounds' - with the field not showing any signs of the Darvill Doppelganger it was the obvious place to look - are we great minds or fools who seldom differ?
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Re: Leygore Manor by 4clydesdale7 on Wednesday, 01 February 2012
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Whenever there is some controversy in Gloucestershire Archaeological circles there often seems to be a lot of 'huffing and puffing' and very little 'solid thinking' - take this site for instance

The Ordnance Survey referred to this site as a Long Barrow as early as its 1883 6inch edition - frequently regarded as extremely accurate it is often given 'biblical status' -

In 1883 the famed G.Witts published his Archaeological Handbook of Gloucestershire (known to contain 'the odd error or two') - referring peremptorily to the site consisting of a row of three Round Barrows without further description - Nos 64;65;66

Then the fates took a hand - the incumbent farming family set to work with a modern plough virtually destroying (but not quite all) the evidence - the archaeological worthies refused to take on the analytical task preferring either to ignore it or 'sit on the fence' - along came EH with their 'spy in the sky' coupled with some muddled thinking (not unknown for them) - nothing but chaos if you ask me!

BGAS refused to stay silent and suggested that the the site was one or the other or perhaps both! - 1960 Vol.79 pp.92 & 136 - Darvill/LV Grinsell in their 1989 Review BGAS Vol.107 refused to enter the fray - making no mention at all! Although Darvill's work The Long Barrows of the Cotswolds makes a passing reference to it (GLO57) as being one of a pair of adjacent Long Barrows - even though no-one has ever actually seen its dopellganger just to the East (Leygore Manor 2 - GLO58)

pastscape contradicts itself (Monument 329915; Gloucestershire; Cotswolds; Turkdean) saying at one point it prefers the '3 in a line' theory on the basis there is no broadening (expected where there is a Long Barrow) and then glibly states that the round barrows are 20m to 30m in diameter - (nice one!)

G.Witts must have had some political clout and the rest must be concerned for their finances - why will they not contradict him?

The current position on site really does suggest that it is a Long Barrow - the southwestern end seems more prominent being about 2ft high and 10/15m wider - it stands where you would expect if you relied on the 1883 6in OS Map and the same farming family were astonished to hear yesterday (31/01/12) that there had ever been any suggestion of 'three barrows' - they ought to know what they ploughed!

By the way pastscape seem to think there is a 'lost Long Barrow' in the area - according to the Saxon Charters there should be one called 'Balesbeorge' or 'Bal's Barrow' in the neighbourhood - sic transit gloria mundi!
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Re: Leygore Manor by 4clydesdale7 on Thursday, 26 January 2012
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I shall check this out when next in the area - I must express my doubts - my memory of Leygore 1 is that it has not sprouted a tree - also the three Leygore Manor Round Barrows were in a line running WSW to ENE and only 150m/200m apart - the rings look like feeder marks - none of the Round Barrows is currently shown on the modern Explorer or 6in maps nor were they shown on the earlier Pathfinder maps - Leygore 1 is reputed to be less than 0.2m high - but we should give Anne the benefit of the doubt for the moment - I shall report back
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    Re: Leygore Manor by Andy B on Thursday, 26 January 2012
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    Hello 4clydesdale, thanks for checking this out - I'm not saying this is the Leygore barrow, this was just the closest site we have listed to the location that Anne indicated in her email. She didn't give an exact location.
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