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'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales
'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales submitted by dodomad : An independent researcher and author of three books on Stonehenge, Robin Heath, has been working for over twenty-five years to find an answer to this question, and that answer is to be found in the landscape of West Wales, near Newport, Pembrokeshire. In the summer of 2013 he discovered a previously unknown megalithic complex, a Proto Stonehenge, forging a second link has been forged between the P... (Vote or comment on this photo)
Here's what Robin Heath claims to have discovered. Over to him: The rumours are already about, at least here in West Wales, that I've discovered a Welsh Stonehenge. 'Tis true, I own it, and I call the artifact the Proto Stonehenge, because it dates earlier than the pile of impressively large stones on Salisbury Plain, and it uses the same design rules as were later to be applied to the earlier (pre-sarsen circle) stages of the monument.

It provides a second and unconnected link between the Preseli hills and Stonehenge, supporting the argument that the bluestones were taken to Stonehenge ' at vast expense of toil' by human action.

This is a significant moment in our understanding of what Thom called megalithic science and what most archaeologists have called the lunatic fringe. It is going to be very hard to dismiss what I have found, and I have involved several significant others in checking it out. Green lights from them all.

STONEHENGE – The Welsh Connection
Presentation, Exhibition, Book Launch and Q&A session by Robin Heath
At the Small World Theatre, Cardigan, Wales on Sunday the 22nd June at 1:30 pm


A (very) Brief History of Modern Attempts to understand Stonehenge. Stonehenge evolved over fifteen centuries. The early phases of the monument began around 3150 BC and consisted of a 380 foot (115m) diameter circular bank, which created a ditch outside the circle. Inside the circular arena was an alignment to the solstitial sunrise, through a break in the bank to the Heel stone. A century later, 56 large holes were dug around the perimeter of an accurate 283 foot (86m) circle, now known as the Aubrey circle after the antiquarian John Aubrey, who discovered the remains of these holes. Current ideas are that these holes may once have held wooden posts or even bluestones.

About a century further on, a bluestone semi-circle was built in the centre, which had lintels carried aloft long 8ft slender uprights. This was truly a proto-Stonehenge, for in the middle of building this first architectural structure, a much more ambitious project was about the be initiated, that of hauling seventy five huge sarsen sandstones, some weighing in at forty tons, from the Marlborough Downs, twenty miles north of Stonehenge, near Avebury stone circle. This became the 100 ft diameter sarsen circle and the trilithon horseshoe. Prior to the arrival of these monsters, perhaps around 2800 BC, four standing stones were placed around the perimeter of the Aubrey circle to define a ‘near perfect’ rectangle whose side lengths were in the ratio 5:12.

The sarsen structures at Stonehenge, the circle and the five bigger trilithons that rise up inside the circle, are the logo that everyone thinks of when the word Stonehenge is mentioned. However, this is the grandiose later structure, and the earlier phases are just as important. There are still the remains of most of the bluestones on site. Some were very polished, some still have the tenon or mortice joints that must have once enabled them to form a trilithon structure in the earlier bluestone ‘henge’. These recycled bluestones were placed in a bluestone circle within the sarsen circle or in a horseshoe arrangement within the trilithons.

Stonehenge in Modern (post-Roman) Times

The link between Stonehenge and West Wales goes back much further than one might think, Carmarthen-born legend Merlin claimed that the Stones arrived from Ireland, in a fanciful tale invoking giants, yet in his lifetime, West Wales was administered by the Irish and even the language spoken here was Irish. But there’s another problem with Merlin’s tale – the stones to which he refers are the giant sarsen stones, which weigh up to 40 tons, not the bluestones which weigh in at a tenth of this.

In 1603 a local Pembrokeshire nobleman, George Owen, who, according to a brass plaque in Nevern church was ‘The Patriarch of English(!) Geologists’, made a connection between the stones and the design of Pentre Ifan and Stonehenge. And in 1655, Architect General to the King, Inigo Jones made the first well popularised (and very inaccurate plan) of the inner part of Stonehenge, for King James I. Major archaeological surveys of the monument have been undertaken during the last two centuries.

Sir William Flinders Petrie, the ‘father of modern archaeology’, accurately surveyed the inner part of Stonehenge in the 1870s, before he was twenty years old. IN the early part of the twentieth century, Col Hawley spent years excavating the site, adding greatly to our knowledge of what Stonehenge had once been. In the 1950s professor Richard Atkinson, from UCSW, Cardiff, devoted many years to another major survey, and one outcome was a bestselling book called simply, Stonehenge, published in 1956 by Hamish Hamilton. In 1973, Atkinson asked ‘the father of modern archaeoastronomy’ professor Alexander Thom, to undertake ‘the most accurate survey ever undertaken of the monument at ground level’.

The Matter of the Bluestones

In the Preseli mountains of coastal West Wales, there are several volcanic outcrops that during the past ninety years have been identified as the source of the bluestone megaliths at Stonehenge. In 1923, Geologist Dr H H Thomas published an academic paper suggesting that many of the Stonehenge bluestones had come the Preselis. This discovered has fuelled along standing debate, acrimonious at times, as to whether these stones arrived at Stonehenge through deliberate human intent, or by the action of glacial flow.

Recent work by professor Mike Parker Pearson (UCL), and geologists from Aberystwyth University, has employed improved petrological analyis to begin the process of identifying the source of each of the bluestones that now remain at Stonehenge.

Supposing it can ever be proved that human endeavour was responsible for moving these 4 ton monsters all the way from Preseli to Salisbury Plain, then beyond marvelling at the engineering and cooperative skills shown by our distant ancestors, a much bigger question needs to be answered. That question is why they should have moved these stones over 150 miles? What purpose was being served by moving them? Robin Heath now claims to have an answer.

Robin is an independent researcher and author of three books on Stonehenge. He has been working for over twenty-five years to find an answer to this question, and that answer is to be found in the landscape of West Wales, near Newport, Pembrokeshire. In the summer of 2013 he discovered a previously unknown megalithic complex, a Proto Stonehenge, forging a second link has been forged between the Preseli region of Wales and Stonehenge.

This discovery, duly surveyed with modern theodolites , GPS and satellite imagery, reveals that Stonehenge was the end result of a long project undertaken over several centuries. The goal was to develop a Neolithic technology capable of accurately measuring and recording time and space. Breathtakingly accurate, what has been discovered is a work of creative genius, completely lost until now and totally absent from our history books. Once understood, it allows us to lift the capabilities of Neolithic culture to a new level and reveals a practicalprehistoric science with which to integrate the rhythms and cycles of the sky with those experienced on earth.

The Small World Theatre Event

The forthcoming presentation of this discovery takes place at the Small World Theatre, Cardigan, and is appropriately timed for the midsummer solstice period, on Sunday June 22nd. A small exhibition with large models will also be available, and Robin will be launching his new book, Proto-Stonehenge in Wales, to begin telling a new story about how Stonehenge came to be, and why, and how our ancestors forged the earliest known beginnings of astronomy and surveying in West Wales.

Biography

Robin Heath is an independent researcher and for over twenty five years has lectured widely, in Britain, Ireland and France, undertaking tours, presentations, workshops and media interviews on the ancient megalithic sciences. An internationally published author of seven books on the subject of megalithic science, including four with Stonehenge in their title, Robin’s book Stonehenge (Wooden Books, 2000) has remained a best-seller at the monument. Previously the head of technology at Coleg Ceredigion, for the past thirty years Robin has lived in the Preseli region of West Wales.

Bibliography
Robin Heath is the author of A Key to Stonehenge (1993), Sun, Moon & Stonehenge (1998), Sun, Moon & Earth (1999), A Beginner’s Guide to Stone Circles, Hodder-Headline (1999), Stonehenge (2000), The Measure of Albion (with John Michell, 2004), The Lost Science of Measuring the Earth (2006), Powerpoints (2007), and Bluestone Magic (2010).

Further details are available at www.skyandlandscape.com or www.robinheath.info


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'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales
'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales submitted by dodomad : An independent researcher and author of three books on Stonehenge, Robin Heath, has been working for over twenty-five years to find an answer to this question, and that answer is to be found in the landscape of West Wales, near Newport, Pembrokeshire. In the summer of 2013 he discovered a previously unknown megalithic complex, a Proto Stonehenge, forging a second link has been forged between the P... (Vote or comment on this photo)

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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by STOCKDALE on Sunday, 24 January 2016
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Peter Harris is author of the book "Astronomy and Measurement in Megalithic Architecture." (2015)
A review of this book can be found on the Portal. The book and its proposals for a new megalithic unit of length, are currently being discussed on the Mysteries forum, where a link to a synopsis of the book can also be found.
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A Critical Review of Proto Stonehenge - Robin Heath by Peter Harris by Andy B on Sunday, 24 January 2016
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Peter Harris has written a detailed critique of Robins' theory here:

A Critical Review of Proto Stonehenge - Robin Heath by Peter Harris (PDF format)
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'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales - review of the talk by Andy B on Wednesday, 09 July 2014
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Cerrig has written a review of the talk for us - thanks!
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Book available to order by Andy B on Friday, 27 June 2014
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We have copies of Robin Heath's new book 'Proto Stonehenge in Wales' on the way so get your order in now if you'd like one.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=6318&forum=4
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Re: ''Proto Stonehenge'' discovered in West Wales by Anonymous on Thursday, 26 June 2014
Why no pictures? I''d like to see this!
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by cerrig on Tuesday, 24 June 2014
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Myself and mr and mrs Pab found ourselves at this event and spent the afternoon being entertained by Robin Heath . I shall submit a full report shortly, plus a short summary of his new book. Fans of Astronomy, Geometry , Metrology and controversy will love this.
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by SpaceTravellor on Friday, 13 June 2014
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"Proto Stonehenge"s can really be found all over the global place where round megalithic structures is set to depict and mark the motions of heavens at day and night.
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by Anonymous on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
If Robin Heath has a serious point to make about the history of Stonehenge then why does he cite fairy tales about Merlin? That is not history, that is fiction.
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    Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by sem on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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    "Fairy Tales" have a lot to say about history.
    Two good examples are -
    1) Giants throwing what are now standing stones. The stone in question is inevitably not local and if I wasn't aware of the Ice Ages, would seem to me a more reasonable explanation than something moved 20,000 yrs ago by a sheet of ice.
    2) Geoffrey of Monmouth was well aware of the Irish in Wales. The Kingdom of Brycheiniog (modern day Brecon) was founded by Irish invaders in the 6th Cent AD, thus anywhere West of this would have been under "Irish" control. Therefore the stones came from Ireland.
    Incidently, a quick re-read of this section in History of the Kings of Britain says the stones originally came from Africa. Geologically speaking, Britain was once attached to Africa - and this comes from a Dr of Geology.
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      Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by Anonymous on Wednesday, 11 June 2014
      Yes fairy tales do have a lot to say but they do not tell us anything about history. Even fairy tales based on historical events add no information to our knowledge of these events. Even if events in a fairy tale happen to correlate with real events this does not tell us anything about the real events. The stories about the moon landing being faked are full of information about real historical events but they do not tell us anything new about the history of the moon landings because the "new information" they contain is just fiction.

      As to your examples:
      1) A story about giants throwing stones tells us nothing whatsoever about the history of the stones. The story may suggest to you that the stones came from somewhere else but that "information" came from your imagination, not the story.
      2) Sorry but I don't understand this example - where is the fairy tale?
      "Geologically speaking, Britain was once attached to Africa" - well yes, but at that time the continent of Africa as we know it did not exist - and "geologically speaking" Britain was once attached to every continent!

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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by tiompan on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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My dosh is on Meini Gwyr .

George
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    Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by tiompan on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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    Apologies ,it can't possibly be Meini Gwyr as the "artifact" is a "previously unknown megalithic complex "

    George
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by Anonymous on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
Pity that even the history is incorrect. Does not inspire confidence.
MPP has done none of the lithological provenancing although he has supplied a vaste numbe of samples.
The 'new' (actually based on Victorian) techniques that have made important, if unexpected, discoveries have been done by geologist at Leicester University and The Nat Mus Wales with some welcome help from Abberystwyth geochemists.
The devil is in the detail not just tale-(sic) twitching.
Myris of Alexandria
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    Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by sem on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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    Could anyone confirm whether the rock samples used were taken from the stones themselves or were just chips found in the SH locality? eg R.Bevins' originally identified sample was found at the Cursus.
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    Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by tiompan on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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    "Could anyone confirm whether the rock samples used were taken from the stones themselves or were just chips found in the SH locality? "

    SH 32e , 34, 35a 38, 40 ,46 and 48 have been sampled .

    George
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by Andy B on Tuesday, 10 June 2014
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Robin has put an article discussing Darvill and Wainwright's theories, and various others on the blog he's recently started.

Compared with anything that has gone before in recent Stonehenge history, this ‘New Improved’ theory of why the bluestones were so important to the builders of Britain’s National Temple must appear as pure affrontery to ‘the lunatic fringe of dotty archaeology’, who have always thought that, free from the dogma that lurks in academic disciplines, they had sole rights to investigate whatever questions they liked on archaeological matters. In an apparent surge of ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ mainstream archaeology now boldly appears to be straying into traditional loony fringe territory. We must welcome them - they may be healed by the process

ARCHAEOLOGISTS IN STONEHENGE BLUESTONE SHOCK
http://robinheath.info/archives/35
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by mountainman on Monday, 09 June 2014
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Well, this is all very exciting and mysterious. I wonder if Robin is talking about the reconstructed stone circle at Brithdir Mawr? We wait with bated breath for the revelations that will be sprung upon the world on 22 June......
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Re: 'Proto Stonehenge' discovered in West Wales by Andy B on Monday, 09 June 2014
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Here are some photos of Robin Heath in action, from myself in 1997
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=10973
2006 with Tim P
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=20762
and with Sem and Cerrig and friends in 2011
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=77288
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