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Submitted by VirtHist on Saturday, 28 July 2007  Page Views: 24459

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The Berth submitted by VirtHist : A view of the Berth from the same field view as it might have looked in its youth. (Vote or comment on this photo)
The Cornovii British tribe (nation) once occupied what is now now Shropshire, Cheshire, part of Staffordshire, part of Herefordshire, part of Merseyside, Wrexham, Flintshire and part of Powys. (They shouldn't be confused with the Cornovii of what is now northern Scotland or the Cornovii of the south west who gave their name to the modern county of Cornwall).

This region has one of the highest densities of Iron Age hillforts in Britain and it is this, along with the very few finds of artifacts of beauty or pottery that they may have made or had the wealth to acquire, that has led many archaeologists and scholars to come to the conclusion that they were a poor, warring, warrior nation: the Cornovii were nothing but an infighting bunch of impoverished Britons with no taste in jewellery!

However, this isn't the view of all, including Dr Roger White of Birmingham University. Giving good arguments to support his theories, he believes that we don't find much of the Cornovii craftwork because, unlike the more southern tribes, their remoteness kept the influence of their continental brethren away from them, and perhaps because they showed their status in another way. He also points to the Cornovii's export of salt and a probable agricultural goods trade as the sign of their success. Carthaginian and other coins found on the River Dee certainly point to some kind of trade with the Mediterranean people.

The building of hillforts, he suggests, was the outward expression of this success. In short, they were more an export tribe than a warring one, who showed off buy constructing things rather than adorning themselves. Hillforts need many people to construct them and you have to pay them in some way, and they take a lot of time to construct. How do you do this if you’re poor and constantly fighting?

Dr White and others think each fort may have been used for different reasons and at different times of the year. Some would be centres of power and constantly in use, such as Old Oswestry (Caer Ogyrfan), whilst some would be seasonal animal enclosures (The Wrekin?) and others used for celebrations. Some, like the Berth in north Shropshire (see picture), could have been a religious site.

Of course there are always counter arguments and the Celtic expert, Sir Barry Cunliffe, does point to the fact that the Cornovii did like their swords. He does agree, however, that their lack of ceramic pottery could mean a pastoral tribe on the move. They would tend to use more leather and wood than pottery because they were less breakable for a mobile (or warlike) people.

If the Cornovii were so tough and warlike, then why didn't they put up much of a fight when the Romans arrived? They defeated the Cornovii at The Wrekin in AD47 and that appears to have been the only fight they put up. Maybe it was because they did spend too much time either fighting one another or in the classic, British pursuits of cattle raiding and slave capturing! Or, perhaps it was because they weren't a cohesive tribe. Either way, they certainly adopted the the urban Roman way when they took over the ownership of Wroxeter (Viriconium Corniovorum) after the XXth legion left for Chester (Deva) and kept the city going until the early 6th century. An enigma indeed, as the rest of their region appears to have remained one of the least Romanized in England.

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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by w650marion on Tuesday, 19 October 2021
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A link to Dr White’s recent podcast re the Cornovii and Roman Britain
https://shropshirearchaeologyhistory.org/2020/11/27/roman-west-midlands-podcasts/
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Monday, 18 October 2021
How did the cornovii tribe get from Cornish to Cheshire?
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Andy B on Monday, 18 October 2021
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    First paragraph of the article: They shouldn't be confused with the Cornovii of what is now northern Scotland or the Cornovii of the south west who gave their name to the modern county of Cornwall.
    Sigh
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Sunday, 01 April 2018
Well I've been doing family research and have gotten us back to Powys in Wales roughly 1,000 years ago. Going through the records I came across records on one ancestor who was a Powys nobleman the records on his family line indicate that they were descended from the Cornovii and possibly the Gwertherions. I have been trying to research who the Cornovii were and also more about the Gwertherions all I can find on them is that the Gwertherions were a Celtic ruling house pre Roman and that many kings would have them kind of penciled into their lineage to prove their claims to the throne. Also if anyone is well versed in Powys history I'm having some trouble with one part of the ancestry. I have an Enion ap Owain listed as steward to Robert Earl of Gloucester I have found records that he is supposedly the illegitimate son of Owain ap Cadwagan but have found no records of Owain having a son. The records of Enion say that his mother was Nest Tudor. I have also found noted that Owain had a brother named Enion who is sometimes listed as his son. Does anyone know the true story? My email is charleswilliams12002@yahoo.com
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Sunday, 19 July 2015
i am certainly a celt.

cornovii i suspect as all 4 grandparents ancestors have been traced back 400 plus years in the area [also dna shows no sign of any roman or norman background] not man of us left i think?
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Wednesday, 20 July 2011
the positions of the three cornovian tribes could indicate a pre roman overspill native population
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 November 2009
I have a problem I'm English because i was born in England but i'm also celtic and can't really express this as England is not considered one of the six celtic nations. Yet Cornwall is but is part of England so how do I express my pride? This is when Cornovii comes in, I have lived in the area along the welsh border/west midlands/shropshire all my life, I now see myslef as Cornovii and want to revive it as such so that I can consider myself a celtic by recreating a nation on the same scale as Cornwall combining the old Cornovii areas of the West Midlands,Cheshire, Shropshire, Herefordshire and parts of the North/mid wales borders. The Return of the Cornovii.
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Monday, 19 July 2010
    I regard my heritage as Cornovii as I live in North Staffs and would be very interested in contacting like minded people who feel the same.
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Sunny100 on Monday, 19 July 2010
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    Er my brother lives in North Staffs too. I wonder whether he regards himself as a Cornovii. I will ask him.
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      Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Thursday, 22 July 2010
      To Er,
      I said I regard my heritage as Cornovii not I am Cornovii. A very big difference but I would be glad to chat with brother.
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      Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Sunny100 on Thursday, 22 July 2010
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      Yes, I think I understand what you mean. Are you in S.O.T.
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        Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Monday, 26 July 2010
        Not far from Alton Towers.
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        Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Sunny100 on Monday, 26 July 2010
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        Cheadle area or Rocester. Sorry to be so nosey!
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Tuesday, 14 February 2012
    I like your sentiment for Cornovii. I have always considered myself a Cheshire man until I discovered the name Weaver is centred on the three English counties of Cornovii.Plus running down the east of Powys we have traced our line back to Welsh tribal leaders. I am having to adjust to telling myself of my Celtic roots. With the name Weaver it ties up with the fact also that Cornovii were famous for Weaving and dyeing bright coloured wool.What research have you done of this area of the country?
    Roy
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Wednesday, 22 May 2013
    As my name is "Powis" I share your feelings. I've done some research as have others of the same name. I can send you my dossier on "Powis Ancestry" if you're interested. David Powis - powis44@talktalk.net.
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by VirtHist on Saturday, 17 May 2008
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There's one great mistory about the Cornovii: when did they stop being the Cornov (Cornob) and become 'Pagenses' (Powys)? I wish this could be solved as it could have many ramifications; such as why the historical Arthur was said to be from Kernyw (Cornwall). Could he, in fact, have been from Cornov?
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by VirtHist on Sunday, 13 April 2008
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There is, of course, one great pointer to show that the Conorvii were a great warrior race, and that is the fact they were the only civitas to have a legion named after them:
Cohors Primae Cornoviorum, who we know were based at Hadrian's wall for a while. What happened to them after Britain was told to defend herself no one really knows? Did they go with Constantine III do their deaths in Gaul or did they go back to their own region to become the backbone of what became the Powysian kingdom? Or did they, as a generally accepted (but certain not proven) theory goes, migrate to the southwest peninsular to defend against the Irish and give their name to Cornwall? Who knows?
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    Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Sunday, 31 January 2010
    The Cornovii settled in The Wirral (judging by stone art on some of the stratum on Bidston Hill by its astronomical observatory). There is some knowledge of finds and burial mounds in Noctorum (Wirral) and in Cheshire and Powys (North. Wales). There are some areas near the most extreme area of North-east scotland where they settled but were called Carnavii there. Hugo.shepherd1@googlemail.com
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      Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Sunday, 07 February 2010
      Further to the above, there are also some caves or tunnels under Bidston Hill, extending some way South of its exit below the Planetary Observatory. Some of these caves were widened and used the ministry of Defence during the Second World War and formed the Western Approaches headquarters. Further into the hill, the tunnels resume to their original size and pass beneath the Windmill. The stone art consisted of some animalistic sculpures and two crudely cut human forms (side by side) which appear to be guarding an entrance to the caverns. Finds found at Noctorum include a silver Neck torc and a broach at one of three tumulii in the area. hugo.shepherd1@googlemail.com
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        Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Saturday, 30 January 2016
        Partially correct information. The tunnels under Bidston Hill were built by the local council during the second World War as an air raid shelter for the public. The record of their construction is publicly available. The Western Approaches HQ is an unrelated bunker in Liverpool (which is open to the public) from which the Battle of the Atlantic was coordinated.

        There aren't any sculptures, but there are two carvings that have been speculated to be from around 1000 AD. They aren't guarding anything though, as the tunnels didn't exist until the 1940's.
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by VirtHist on Tuesday, 21 August 2007
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Thanks for making your comment to my rather tongue in cheek article. You're right, of course, they were warriors. The question really is: a cohesive tribal nation or fragmented in-fighters? Were these warriors united (genrally speaking) or constantly fighting one another, hence all those hillforts? One only tends to hear about finds and evidence of Roman attacks, such as the Wrekin, but I'd be interested to find out how much evidence there is for attacks in the Pre-Roman/Late Iron Age period.
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Re: The Cornovii: warriors or show-offs? by Anonymous on Tuesday, 21 August 2007
Warriors, the Cornovii were the only native British tribe allowed manufacture and bear arms and have records of their soldiers and campaigns on the 'notarium'
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