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Submitted by Roger B Hutchins on Sunday, 23 October 2005  Page Views: 7978

Neolithic and Bronze AgeCountry: England County: Devon Type: Stone Row / Alignment

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Hurston Ridge
Hurston Ridge submitted by AngieLake : Almost at the bottom end of Hurston Ridge's avenue. I noticed that these two stones on opposing sides of the avenue (see left of pic) aligned at 350 degs with Kes Tor Rock. (Vote or comment on this photo)
I have been a Dartmoor Guide for over thirty years, and have had ample opportunity to consider the various interpretations of stone row function. The orthodox view that they had ceremonial/religious/sepulchral functions has never been backed up with hard evidence. Astronomical functions have been repudiated by statisticians, although many archaeologists have accepted this interpretation rather reluctantly. Alexander Thom admits that " we cannot give any convincing explanation of any use for the Kermario alignment." I have never understood why a geographical / navigational explanation has never been explored.

Stone rows contain information of direction and distance. What is more, the row was never intended to be seen in isolation. If you follow the line suggested by the row, whether straight or with many changes in direction like The Upper Erme Row, further stones can be found through the distant landscape. Although most of these "way mark" stones have been removed for various reasons, enough remain in place to demonstrate that the stone row was a condensed representation of that way marked route.

The stone rows are (in my opinion) man's earliest attempts to measure and record geographical information. They are like linear maps. I will give two examples to demonstrate the case.

Hurston Ridge Stone Row is perhaps the best preserved and neatest designed row on Dartmoor. A line extended to the coast Northwards following the direction suggested by the row will hit Minehead, a sheltered haven and ancient port approximately 44 miles from the row. The length of the row given by Jeremy Butler (Dartmoor Atlas of Antiquities) is 143.3 meters. If we discount the distance to the centre of the circle, the actual row length from the most Southern stone to the most Northern stone is 142 meters.
At a scale of 500 to 1, 142 X 500= 713000 meters which is 77645.6 yards which is 44.1 miles.
This figure of 44.1 miles is so close to the distance to Minehead that it seems probable that it was intelligent design.

The upper Erme Stone Row is the longest row on record, and Jeremy Butler gives it as 3300 meters from the center of the circle to the summit cairn at the North end. If we deduct 100 meters for the distance fron the last stone to the cairn, and 7.9 meters for the distance from the centere of the circle to the first stone, the actual length of the stone row is reduced to 3192.1 meters.
Using a similar calculation as above, but a scale of 300 to 1, we get a distance of 595.036 miles. Following the route suggested by the row, which is not a straight line, the distance from the row to the North coast of Scotland is approximately 595 miles.
Is this design or coincidence?
What is even more convincing, is that if the row is divided into sections dividing each change in direction, the first being straight and nearly due North, the second curving to the East, the third North, the fourth veering to the West, the fifth veering to the East, the sixth continuing North to the coast. Each section at the same scale of 300 to1 fits the geography in terms of the best route from the row to the coast of Scotland.
The first straight section takes the traveller across the Seven Estuary to the Black Mountains, the second curving section to avoid Morcombe Bay, The third North to Carlisle, the fourth slightly West to Glasgow, the fifth to the great Glen the sixth North to the coast.

I have done similar calculations for many of the British stone rows, and have found that while some of them seem to be designed to record geographical information, others seem to be designed to guide travellers to coastal havens.

The massive alignments at Carnac were at first intimidating. I could not believe that such a huge enterprise could have a similar function as the British alignments. Whatever the intended function, the builders were thinking very big. It was only when I began to think big that I realised that our prehistoric ancestors had explored, measured and recorded in stone journeys from the most Westerly point of the Euro Asian land mass to the most Easterly point. These alignments fit the geography at a scale of 10000 to 1, so perfectly, that it has to be design and not coincidence.

Is it too hard to believe that people who were capable of huge engineering projects were also capable of exploring, measuring and recording their world?

All comments welcome. rogerbhutchins@hotmail.com



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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by Anonymous on Saturday, 20 June 2009
I have been another Dartmoor guide a bit longer than Roger.

Hurston Ridge row is generally accepted to be the least altered on the moor. Others have been extensively re-erected and it is not certain that now they are exactly as constructed.

However if you stand at the lower terminal of this row and look uphill to the remains of the cairn it is silouetted on the horizon.

A site survey with admittedly hand held instruments reveals that the lunar declination for the cairn has a value of -29.7 indicating most southerly moonset on the 18.6 year lunar cycle. The moon would have set into the cairn.

This is not proof of anything of course but it is interesting.

There are several other rows on the moor that seem to mark the extreme lunar positions in this way.

I really think that this idea is worth a bit more research than the idea that the row is a linear map that shows the route to Bronze Age Minhead.

I did not fiddle any figures to get the result. As accurately as I can the details are true azimuth 205, horizon altitude 5, latitude 50 37.

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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by Anonymous on Monday, 25 May 2009
Another Dartmoor guide says

First change the actual row length or bits of the row length to something else. Multiply the metric result by some number, anything will do to convert it to miles. Look on map for suitable modern town roughly in the direction of row or bit of it roughly close to the number calculated miles away. Hey presto proof of ancients survey, maths and map making ability.

The rows are undoubtedly astronomical perhaps if Roger lies down and looks at the Moon preferably after a few drinks he might be persuaded yet.

Stoneman
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by Anonymous on Sunday, 07 December 2008
I am new to this topic but tend to believe evidence is accumulating that northern european navigators and land-surveyers were far more adept than previously thought. Little doubt exists anymore that their astronomical knowledge was superior both to that of the Hellenistic Age and medieval period. No need exists for mystical explanations - they had the need, as agricultural and hunting-gardening societies their priesthood had the time, and as societies they had the time for accurate observations over thousands of years. As an analogy, modern carbon dating indicates the cave-painting cultures were doing these paintings consistently over a 35,000 year period. It6's not hard to imagine the Neolithic Age millenia later also developed a consistent culture over time. One could argue that with fits and starts the scientific age goes back to Thales and other Ionians, 2800 years ago, and that it will continue until catastrophe overtakes us.
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by MickM on Tuesday, 06 December 2005
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"Of course prehistoric people had the "technical capacity" to measure and record distance, all it would need is a measuring rod, and the will to explore."

Perhaps you could explain how one would use a measuring rod for surveying a route that is in part at least by sea. Even on land under good conditions it would be difficult to accurately measure over a distance of 595 miles by this method and much of the terrain would have been extremely difficult.

"Of course they did not use our modern units or our modern language, but we have to translate their work into our language.Perhaps you would have been happier if I had calculated in Megalithic yards.Whatever the units the mathematics is the same."

You can calculate using whatever units you like. The fact is that it was you who chose the scale. Of merrivale you wrote;

"The mathematics of this row requires different scales for each half."

Why? I think this proves my point.

Perhaps you could also say which spot on the north coast of Scotland you have chosen to measure to and what the significance of that spot to prehistoric peoples was.

Furthermore, Jeremy Butler has noted that the changes in direction within the row can be explained by the need to avoid difficulties in the local terrain such as rivers. Also were it the intention of the builders to produce a route map, why did they make it far straighter than the route actually was?

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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by Anonymous on Tuesday, 06 December 2005
Hi Mickm Thankyou for your comments. Of course I know that Jeremy Butler gives the length of the Erme Row as about 3320, but he includes the length from the centre of the circle, and the distance from the last stone to the cairn on Green Hill. I took the length of the stone row from Ordnance Survey."Oh Dear", perhaps you should check your facts!
I did not choose my own scale, but simply calculated the scale intended by the row builders.
Of course prehistoric people had the "technical capacity" to measure and record distance, all it would need is a measuring rod, and the will to explore.
Of course they did not use our modern units or our modern language, but we have to translate their work into our language.Perhaps you would have been happier if I had calculated in Megalithic yards.Whatever the units the mathematics is the same.

Hi AngieLake,Thank you for your comment regarding Merrivale. The Northern double Row is targeted on
Wadebridge, 34.11 miles away. Row length X 300 gives this distance.
The Southern Row is targetted on Mawgan Porth, but is complicated by the central cairn. The mathematics of this row requires different scales for each half. Neither of these distances are more than a three days walking.
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by JACKME on Tuesday, 25 October 2005
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by AngieLake on Monday, 24 October 2005
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If you applied that navigation theory to Merrivale's rows you'd be going a very long way to a port!
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by JACKME on Sunday, 23 October 2005
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This explanation could well the missing system that I hinted at in my article on Prediction Sites. See How the Great Stone Circles Work No 9. Shortly I will be showing that they were very good at their surveying in both distances and angles.
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Re: Stone Rows. A practical solution by MickM on Sunday, 23 October 2005
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Oh dear! I think you need to check your maths. Jeremy Butler actually gives the length of the Erme row as about 3320 metres, which introduces an error of 0.63% in your calculation. With this degree of error you would need a ratio of around 302:1 to get somewhere near to 595 miles, but this is purely academic. By choosing your own scale you can make the figures fit any theory that you care to. The truth is that the prehistoric people who built the row simply did not have the technical capacity to survey over such vast distances in order to be able to produce an accurate scale map in stone in the landscape and even if they did, they most certainly did not measure distance in modern units such as the mile.
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