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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 1) by Vicky on Friday, 05 December 2003 (User Info | Send a Message) |
| From The Wiltshire Advertiser 05/12/2003 One megalith may be raised One of the fallen megaliths at Avebury may be restored to its original place, even though there are no plans to excavate its long-buried brothers. On Wednesday the Advertiser revealed a survey by National Trust archaeologists has found at least 15 massive stones buried close to where they would have stood in the circle. Now archaeologist Mike Pitts is applying to reinstate a stone on the eastern side of the circle, which fell over in the 18th century. Mr Pitts, the editor of British Archaeology Magazine, wants to carry out some excavation around the stone in the hope of revealing tools used to construct the site thousands of years ago. "The principal reason for wanting to excavate in the stone circle is that we do not know when it was built," he said. "Our best chance is to find something organic, such as a red deer antler pick, which we can carbon date." He has been talking to English Heritage and the National Trust for two years about his idea, but feels a full-scale restoration of the circle wouldn't be appropriate. "Generally, I think it would be good if one or two megaliths were re-erected at Avebury," he said. "Some people would like to re-erect all of them, but I believe we have to draw a balance because the way Avebury looks at the moment is the way it has looked for many generations. "It would completely transform the place and then it would become something that really dated from the 21st century." Druid Terry Dobney, who holds the title Keeper Of The Stones, is in no doubt that the buried stones should be raised. He says the National Trust promised Alexander Keiller, the millionaire and amateur archaeologist who uncovered many of the stones in the western part of the circle, that it would continue his work. "If a furious whirlwind blew across Salisbury Plain and knocked down Stonehenge, would they just stand there and look at it?" he asked. He said he understood concerns that the village might be overwhelmed by visitors if the stones were reinstated, but thought some of the pressure would be relieved if a once promised bypass, linking the A4 to Wroughton was built. Brian Sumbler, who runs Avebury Antiques, said it was unlikely the buried megaliths would ever be reinstated and he wasn't sure they should be. "There is some sort of taboo that states they are past history so they shouldn't be raised," he said. "I expect there are some people in the village who would like them raised, but it is a difficult one to decide." |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 1) by Rick-Kent on Friday, 05 December 2003 (User Info | Send a Message) |
| You have to be kidding. They have to raise them. If it's a question of spoiling the integrity of the site that's nonsense. What the hell is the point in leaving them? Surely every person who loves Avebury (and would like to see the village removed) would want the stones back. I would! |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, 05 December 2003 |
| I agree with Mike Pitts. Pick up one or two but leave the rest for the future. Silbury hill still needs sorting out before any stone restorations take place! As an Avebury resident I strongly object to the Stupid idea that the houses should be demolished! |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 1) by DarkRyder on Sunday, 28 December 2003 (User Info | Send a Message) |
| The confirmed existence of these buried stones is incredible and exciting news. What to do about them is obviously controversial, ranging from don't touch them to raise them all. I would like to make a suggestion in the spirit of true British compromise. Why not carefully survey them all with remote sensing devices until the maximum amount of information has been extracted and THEN, raise them one at a time, with one stone being raised every 25 years, the first being raised perhaps in 2010. With (at least) 15 stones known to be buried so far the project to raise them all would take at least 375 years. A mere moment in time for this ancient site. This proposal offers many benefits. 1/ With intervals of 25 years, generations to come will all have a chance to see 2 or perhaps 3 stones raised in their lifetime. 2/ Future advances in technology and archaelogy can be incorporated with each new raising. This also allows a running record of changes in technology and methodology etc. to be included in a history of the project. New perspectives and increasing information of the history of the site can be blended into the project with each raising being a milestone in our advancing knowledge 3/ The timescale permits planning, organising and implementation of changes to be smoothed into minimising environmental and sociological disruption. The long timeline also reduces the impact of sudden change. 4/ Archaelogists and scholars will always have something to digest and something to look forward to, which will keep the site in the forefront of public interest. I could list another dozen or so points but the above should impart at least a flavour of the idea. May I suggest that this idea could be called the Wiltshire Avebury Megalithic Megaproject or WAMM! Does anyone else agree that this idea has merit? PS The tourist dollars/euros generated would make the Oberammagau passion play a mere pint in the pub. |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Thursday, 15 January 2004 |
| From Traveller: Avebury the complete circle In the February issue of Living History magazine, I read with interest that Archaeologists working for the National Trust in Avebury have discovered an arc of megaliths that may have belonged to the famous site. They took a geological survey measuring density and found some 15 stones beneath the ground within the circle. Although size and shapes need to be confirmed, they show up clearly as computer images. Martin Papworth, trust archaeologist for the Wessex region comments, “This is a truly exciting find, and were erected around 4,500 years ago”. Archaeologists have often been puzzled by the complex since its discovery by John Aubrey 300 years ago. A 1720s map showed many stones in the SE and NE Quadrants were missing. Alexander Keiller, who purchased the site in the 1930s concentrated his efforts in the west half of the circle. Papworth suggests the new stones may have been buried by pious 13th /14th century locals. The National Trust has no current plans to excavate but may use ground radar to conjure up computer images of what might have been. I myself can’t wait, as the site holds a special place in my heart. Thanks to Living History for article. Ray. (Traveller) http://www.livinghistorymagazine.co.uk |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Monday, 28 June 2004 |
| There is no justification for leaving those stones unexcavated and unseen - it goes right against the grain of everything which has been happening at Avebury since at least the Cunningtons in the early 1900's, a tradition of restoration which also saw West Kennet Long Barrow utterly restored in the mid 1950's (that's two decades after Avebury's entire restoration was interrupted by ww2). The more of the monument we see the more we are going to understand about it and the people who built it, which I thought was the whole point of archaeology, anyway - 'understanding the past'? ric |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Saturday, 24 September 2005 |
| Dear Mike, What the 'ell am I tawkin' abaat!? The 'arecibo telescope' near to Chilbolton? 1998?! The huge face appeared near to the Chilbolton Observatory, in 2001. All the best - J. Suckley |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, 23 September 2005 |
| Dear Mike, How very nice to hear from you. I was beginning to get a little depressed by the responses - Ho hum. One day people will realise that in order to find the correct answers one must throw away the books and all convention and delve deep into the Great Mystery that waits for anyone who really wishes to know. 'The Primordial Serpent O f Wisdom'! Woww. I've never heard it called that before. It's quite true, of course, it actually is the true experience of God. But a person only ever knows that by experiencing itdirectly : no book or philosophy can ever bring that understanding. Also ' don't forget the stars'. That's very true - The entire vast array of light energies are all absorbed into the Earth. So! What are your feeling about the 'raising of the stones'? All the best - J. Suckley |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Saturday, 24 September 2005 |
| Hi Mike, Thanks for the web site, I'll definately check it out. Try www.the keys.maharaji.net. It might interest you. I'm very intrigued to hear what you say about pulling all the stones down. You're the only person to have said this so far - But, actually, it is a hugely valid point. The stone circles throughout Britian did in fact create tremendous problems for the Earth - and, therefore, for all of us. People won't like or believe that, but it's true. The mercury power centre at St. Michael's Mount did have to be shifted. I did not shift it - How could I? It is the primordial being that has the ability to achieve such things. That is the one who has access to it. The paradox is that, in order to do such things, a human being's help is essential - Believe me, Mike; it's a truly amazing and a wonderful technology: which, incidentally, I still don't fully understand. But then I don't need to. Where have those forces shifted to? That has to remain a secret - And I'm not being la-di-da about that. It really is not for me to disclose such information. The fascinating thing about it is that those forces were shifted back to a place where they used to be, a long time ago. Today that location is where a lake once was. But what is incredible, is that on the night of the shifting, at the summit of a huge rock on the Mount, a tremendous experience of the energy formation that appears as a magnificent sword, appeared to actually rise up from the rock - and through my body - upon which I was sitting. Yes! Some very obvious connections could be made to that. Two weeks later, when I visited the mercury forces at the new location and met the correct energetic moment there; a powerful and tangible experience of a female being, combined with a pulling of the forces down into the Earth's core is what clearly occured, over as period of about four hours. My thoughts afterwards were, 'could this have something to do with the ancient legends about Excalibur and the so-called 'Lady of the Lake?' Actually, I really think it does...both events certainly did seem to resonate with all of those famous symbols. And, after all, they do say that all myth and legend has a truth at its core. That amazing night on the Mount was also where the primordial being actually appeared, and then stayed for about fifteen minutes - Plenty of time for me to take in such a magnificent spectacle. A month or so afterwards it occured to me that, if someone else had seen that being - and others have! - then they might say that they'd seen an 'alien'. Why? It has only black holes for eyes, where many stars twinkle. It is totally androgenous. Bald. And utterly ageless - neither old nor young. It has clearly defined features - neither male, female, child, but somehow all of these at once. And its face has actually appeared once in a crop circle. In 1998, I think, a huge and mysterious face appeared in the wheat; very near to the arecibo telescope in Chilbolton. That face was the face of the primordial being. Oh don't you worry...I AM writing a book about it all! Before I sign off, I just must say that all of these visits to places like the Mount were part of a huge event that has totally altered the Earth and its future. Believe me, Mike, the future is incredubly bright. Many earthquakes and other vast eruptions were the unfortunate by-products of the entire sequence I suspect: but when the Earth's forces have to be placed, and then sealed, in a perfectly balanced state - they have never been in such an auspicious state before - then certain disruptions will unfortunately result... All the best, Mike p.s What's the project you're involved in? |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Monday, 19 September 2005 |
| Dear Pete G and Thorgrim, Thankyou for your responses: What is the source from which the construction dates for Avebury originate, and 'how can I know all that?' Both very good questions. To answer both of these, maybe the second question should be addressed first... First of all, what I am about to say bears no relation to any sort of belief system, human concept, visualisation, or imagination. What it does address is an actual, a living, and a tangible fact of life and also of Nature, which can even be personally interacted with. That source, which I am now referring to, has been called 'The Primordial Being' - This is a fact and not a fake. I know this because I have been face to face with it for a rather timeless twenty minutes, when upon the major power centre of outgoing Mercury force at St. Michael's Mount; during the peak energetic moment of the correct month. (That power centre had to be shifted to a new location, incidentally, due to many people using it for occult practices which, to the Primordial Being, were not appropriate.) However, I have also, via the precise instructions of that Being, experienced the Grail, the Staff, the Excalibur, and the Stone formations many, many times. I am able to know these things due to over twenty-four years of learning how to be with this rather wonderful thing. The good news, of course, is that anyone can learn how to achieve the same level of communication. All it takes is a little sincerity and the heart of a child - Which, of course, and as we all know, is far easier said than done! So, as for 'what is the souce of the above figures?' That is the source, which was questioned and challenged by me on the issue of Avebury many. many times over a period of at least three to four months. Of course, many would point out how 'unscientific' that might be, and that's perfectly understandable to me. However, I should point out that science is now beginning to recognise that there is indeed a source within Nature that cannot be explained; and which does appear to be an overall intelligence: they call it 'Black Energy'. Personally, I don't like that name, as it implies something 'dark' - Which it most definately is not. Just one more thing that might interest you before I sign off... Rather like a colour is that one part of the light spectrum being reflected back to us, so too the light reflected by each planet is unique. The planets of the solar system all reflect a particular aspect of the sun's massive radiation spectrum: but the Earth is the only planet in the solar system that absorbs all of these unique planetary forces. So what does that have to do with Avebury? Well! The planetary forces tend to collect and locate in whirlpools and river-like flows created in the Earth's field by deep underground movements of water and gases. These whirlpools of force also locate within every living human body as the so-called 'chakras' of ancient Indian mysticism. At Avebury we find the largest pool of Mars force in Britain: this is the origin of the ideas involving Avebury's connection to Mars. The power centres in the Earth are always coupled in two forms - the 'incoming power centre' and the 'outgoing power centre' of force. The incoming power centres are connected to the Earth's core, and are part of the system that became known as the 'Curry Grid' after Dr. Mannfred Curry. The outgoings are connected to solar flares and the full moon, and are part of the energetic system that became known as the 'Hartmann Grid', after Dr. Ernst Hartmann. The relevance of these two grids is that they directly influence the magnetic pull that draws you, me, and everyone else, into the human body at birth; and which pushes us all out of the body and away at death. Our present human over-population problem, which we do have upon this planet, stems directly from a malfunction in the energetic 'push' within the outgoing power centre Read the rest of this post... |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 1) by PeteG on Sunday, 18 September 2005 (User Info | Send a Message) |
| > The stone circle and ditch were begun in 3, 858BC and completed in 3, 583BC What is your source for these figures please? |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Sunday, 18 September 2005 |
| What a wonderful subject. And what excellent ideas form some of the above writers. I am hugely encouraged by the interest and passion that people have for Avebury - and it proves to me, without any doubt, that the many stones that do lie unearthed at this very ancient site will indeed be raised and reinstated. One more thing... I am able to discover such details as exact dates for places such as Avebury; therefore, if it could be taken in the spirit of fun and, maybe, even seriousness, I can offer an exact notation of the dates... The stone circle and ditch were begun in 3, 858BC and completed in 3, 583BC - 275 years to build. By 2021BC the creators of Avebury had disappeared, in a similar fashion to the Mayans: for they did live in a very similar way. Who were they? They were an extremely war-like people, who, in other cultures, have been called the Tuatha De Danaan. These are fiery people who preceded the Celts and who treasured four powerful experiences of cosmic force which later became known as the Grail, the Staff - or Wand, the Sword - or Excalibur, and the Stone. There are many things to say about them and about Avebury. One more thing - The alternating shapes of the Avebury stones were not meant to represent 'male' and 'female' energies, as some people believe. In fact those two shapes were meant to represent the two things that these control-freaky and unbelieveably intense people lived by, namely the dagger and the axe. For at the place called the Cove, countless sacrifices were done by them; for reasons that would take even more room to explain. All the best - J. Suckley |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Thursday, 29 September 2005 |
| Dear Mike, Thanks for the website - Very interesting! And a lot of work has gone into that. I haven't been able to contribute anything to the 'Megalithioc Portal' recently as I'm too busy with my book and looking after my little girl. All the best - J. Suckley |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Friday, 30 September 2005 |
| RAISE THOSE MIGHTY STONES SO THEY CAN ONCE AGAIN SHOW US THEIR GLORY |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Sunday, 20 November 2005 |
| We are benefiting hugely for the restoration work done in the 20th century, Avebury is much more attractive and inspiring with its ancient stones up - so come on English Heritage, continue this great work - restore the place... put back up the buried stones.. Janine Roberts |
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| Re: New Stones discovered at Avebury (Score: 0) by Anonymous on Wednesday, 24 May 2006 |
| Does anyone know where I can see the geophys results to these new stones that have been found at Avebury? John |
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