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Photo Pages: Harolds Stones - Stone Row / Alignment in Wales in Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy)
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Submitted by JJ_Evendon on Tuesday, 01 October 2002 Page Views: 7007
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 Site Name: Harolds Stones Country: Wales County: Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) Type: Stone Row / Alignment
Nearest Town: Monmouth Nearest Village: Trellech
Map Ref: SO499051 Landranger Map Number: 162
Latitude: 51.742350N Longitude: 2.727009W
Condition:| 5 | Perfect | | 4 | Almost Perfect | | 3 | Reasonable but with some damage | | 2 | Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site | | 1 | Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks | | 0 | No data. | | -1 | Completely destroyed |
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Ambience:| 5 | Superb | | 4 | Good | | 3 | Ordinary | | 2 | Not Good | | 1 | Awful | | 0 | No data. |
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Access:| 5 | Can be driven to, probably with disabled access | | 4 | Short walk on a footpath | | 3 | Requiring a bit more of a walk | | 2 | A long walk | | 1 | In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find | | 0 | No data. |
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Accuracy:| 5 | co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates | | 4 | co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map | | 3 | co-ordinates scaled from a bad map | | 2 | co-ordinates of the nearest village | | 1 | co-ordinates of the nearest town | | 0 | no data |
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   Harolds Stones submitted by rldixon
Three tall stones stand leaning at all angles in an open field. Their purpose is unknown, and they may once have been part of a larger stone monument, possibly a circle. Although they were said to commemorate a battle won by King Harold, they very likely date from the Bronze Age.
A folklore tradition tells how they were thrown down from the nearby Sugar Loaf mountain by Jack o'Kent, a giant, when he was playing pitch and toss with the Devil (as you do :-).
Trelleck was a major medieval settlement, and was named after the stones tre - three, lech - stone. The stones are depicted on a sundial in the church.
Access: Just south of Trellick along the B4293. Signposted between two long hedges, but easily missed. Small lay-by for parking.
 Harolds Stones submitted by rldixon
Harolds stones taken in infra red 15th july 2006
 Harolds Stones submitted by rldixon
Harolds stone taken in infra red 15 july 2006
 Harolds Stones submitted by travelling8
Harolds Stones in Monmouthshire
 Harolds Stones submitted by hamish
The stones seen from the road, don't get run over getting here.
 Harolds Stones submitted by hamish
Site in Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy)
The three Trellech, stones go there when it's dry,you get very wet feet otherwise.
 Harolds Stones submitted by hamish
The three stone of Trellech, ancient, yes, I shouldn't think Harold even saw them. Difficult to park but well worth the effort. The strange figure is me in dowsing mode, but it is not compulsary to walk like that.
 Harolds Stones submitted by AngieLake
The dowsing plan showing a possible circle including two of the Harolds Stones. (c) Angie Lake, July 2006.
See site page for more info on this.
 Harolds Stones submitted by thecaptain
Intrigued by some recent theoies that Harold's Stones may have once been part of a stone circle, I went for a good look myself again this weekend.
I have to say that I would be extremely surprised if this site was once part of a circle, the landscape just looked all wrong to me. And surely there would have been some sort of historical record to suggest the matter, but considering that the vill
 Harolds Stones submitted by AngieLake
Site in Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy)For the record, this gives an idea of the layout of the circle I dowsed on 11 June at Harolds Stones. The top pic looking approx ESE shows an outside view of the NW of circle, whose centre is in the shadow of the central tree [actual point between centre of pic and tree].
The stones at centre and right here follow the arc. The bottom pic looking approx WNW, sh
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by templar on Monday, 15 November 2004
(User Info | Send a Message) | The best place to park is just south of the church and the Village Green pub. There's a small public car park. From there you can explore the whole of Trellech on foot. There is a map just over the road , which details all the notable sites in the village (Harold's Stones, The Virtuous Well, Tump Terret, The Church Sundial and the Cross in the churchyard)
The stones are supposed to have strange forcefields which have knocked people off their feet. The stones arrived in Trellech as a result of a contest of strength; Jack O Kent and the Devil threw the stones from Ysgyryd in the Black Mountains. A fourth stone, which landed short, was still standing in Trellech in the 18th century.
Tump Terret is either a Norman Motte or a prehistoric mound depending on who you read, personally I would say it was Norman.
Inside the church, there is an old sundial which depicts Harold's Stones on one of it's faces.
Outside in the graveyard, there is a pyramid of stones with a preaching cross on the top. Lying before the cross is a large stone bench, which is caled the Druid's Altar Stone. | [ Reply to This ]
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by AngieLake on Tuesday, 27 June 2006
(User Info | Send a Message) | Have I made a breakthrough here? Were these stones once part of a circle?
Templar's site information was a great help to me when I visited Trellech on 11 June. Luckily it was hot and sunny, and I had the site all to myself. After doing some sketching, surveying, and photography, I tried dowsing the stones. To my surprise I found that the two most southern stones may have formed part of a circle when first erected. The 'centre' of the 'circle' was just to the NW of a tree a little higher up the sloping field. (See twin photo). From this 'centre point' I dowsed seven concentric bands of energy radiating out, with the seventh in line with the stones. I then walked around the 'circumference', placing my backpack on its higher eastern arc, and photographing it (see twin photo) to get an idea of the scale of the 'circle'. The field slopes up gradually, so the view is looking down slightly on the existing stones. I also walked in from each stone to the 'centre', and found 11 paces from each of the southernmost stones, but 14 paces from the one near NE with a 'gun-sight'-style notch in its top. Walking around a couple more times to re-check the circumference I did wonder if this stone used to form part of the circle, but then was moved to create the alignment we see today. I didn't dowse for an original position for it, though I always try to find the original ritual movements and layout of sites at the height of their importance.
(The 'procession' entered to the right of the largest sloping stone, then followed around, just inside the circle's stones, to 70 degs, when it headed towards the centre. (220 degs direction). Here 3 anti- and 3 clock-wise movements took place by the 'centre', followed by a larger anticlockwise movement around the present tree, grounding in 3 anti-clockwise turns on the other side of the tree. It was rather overgrown with nettles, etc, there, so I didn't pursue it further. One could speculate that a stone or post once stood at the centre of the circle.
I haven't searched the net to see if anyone has ever excavated this site and come up with anything to bear out my findings, but I just wanted to put this on record. I keep all the plans from my site visits just in case they throw light on how the place was used. Obviously I cannot prove anything, but it is interesting to compare patterns and findings. | [ Reply to This ]
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by AngieLake on Monday, 13 November 2006
(User Info | Send a Message) | Thanks for that link Martyn.
What does 'subrectangular ditched enclosure' mean? I'd interpret that as an underlying outline of a building, (or, at that size, a small walled field?) surrounded by a ditch.
The geo-scan gave the size of 'c.40m. diameter', so does that mean there IS a *circular* ditched enclosure, (quote) 'in the vicinity' of the stones??
Hang on! - With a radius of 20m, approx. 60ft, I guess it isn't my 'circle' after all, as its radius was approximately 11 paces! | [ Reply to This ]
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by TheCaptain on Thursday, 16 November 2006
(User Info | Send a Message) | Intrigued by some recent theoies that Harold's Stones may have once been part of a stone circle, I went for a good look myself again this weekend.
I have to say that I would be extremely surprised if this site was once part of a circle, the landscape just looked all wrong to me. And surely there would have been some sort of historical record to suggest the matter, but considering that the village has been known as Trellech (three stones) for so long, I personally cannot believe it.
And finally, as for the three stones forming an arc, this is an illusion caused by the leaning of the stones. Looking along the line of the stones, if they were all standing upright, I reckon they are pretty much in a perfect straight line. See my recent picture.
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by templar on Thursday, 16 November 2006
(User Info | Send a Message) | I tend towards the Captain's view. I think that interpreting the artifacts in Trellech into a full blown stone circle is difficult. I keep coming back to the "where are the stones problem". If the circle conformed to the general characteristics of other stone circles and had similar stones of similar sizes, I would expect to see more evidence of the other stones. If you consider the remaining stones as a part of a circle and follow the arc they would form, you are looking at a pretty big circle with many stones if they are spaced in a similar manner
I haven't seen any other stones in the village with similar characteristic to the three stones. The closest is the "druids altar" in the churchyard and this is a very different beast, being squared off and of a different material to the puddingstone.
If you take the example of Avebury, you can see that it was difficult to remove evidence of stones completely from a site and I believe that vestiges would remain of any major site. | [ Reply to This ]
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Re: Harolds Stones (Score: 1)
by AngieLake on Thursday, 16 November 2006
(User Info | Send a Message) | "A c.40m diameter subrectangular ditched enclosure" (see coflein link above) was indicated by surveys in the area of the stones. I don't know what this really means, but if it was a rectangular stone-built construction, either smaller, and in the centre of a 40m diameter ditch, or the construction itself filled a 40m diameter - like a field - then the stones possibly could have been used in its construction? Perhaps there was something more 'special' about these three and they decided to save them?
I'll post the rather basic plan I made from my dowsing on the day. This is part of an on-going experiment to find out whether doing 'ritual movement' dowsing at megalithic sites can help find out any more about their original construction. (I ask to be 'shown' where the ancients moved during their most important ceremonies when the site was at its most important.)
You'll need to blow up the pic to fill the page as A5 (I tried this out) so you can read it, or maybe rotate it to print out an A4. All moves are numbered in sequence, and the different colour ink is used to help distinguish progressive sections.
The site slopes to NW approx, and I had no idea I would be taken in a circular movement when I started by 'Enter' at the right of the largest sloping stone. (Coming from a direction of 290 degs - behind me). At the 70 degree point on the arc the rods turned me towards the 'centre', moving in the direction of 220 degs. There were 3 tighter clockwise, followed by 3 tighter anticlockwise movements side-by-side at the centre, then I was taken in a wider anticlockwise circle around the tree. On the other side of it - approx SE near the tree - the rods moved me in another tighter triple anticlockwise swirl. Maybe this would have carried on with a matching clockwise swirl, (I often find this sort of mirror-image movement, the same pattern only reversed, each side of a stone) but I was tired then.
I'd also dowsed out from the 'centre' near the tree and found seven consecutive openings of the rods with the seventh by the remaining stones. I hardly ever do this these days but, when I first started dowsing, this was the normal result when dowsing from centre to edge of a circle.
Walking around the perimeter of the 'circle' twice was difficult because of the undergrowth, but in one pair of photos posted you can see the approx position of the East arc where my backpack is sitting. On the plan this arc is pencilled in.
I have much more complex plans than this one, but even basic ones like this are worth considering, just in case they can teach us something about a site. I am pretty laid-back about these findings, and only want to share my results. (Not trying to say I'm proving anything.) | [ Reply to This ]
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