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<< Text Pages >> Leistruper Wald Opferstein I - Natural Stone / Erratic / Other Natural Feature in Germany in North Rhine-Westphalia

Submitted by KaiHofmann on Tuesday, 15 December 2015  Page Views: 1356

Natural PlacesSite Name: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I
Country: Germany
NOTE: This site is 2.251 km away from the location you searched for.
Land: North Rhine-Westphalia Type: Natural Stone / Erratic / Other Natural Feature
Nearest Town: Detmold  Nearest Village: Diestelbruch
Latitude: 51.927373N  Longitude: 8.957938E
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
 3 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
 no data Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
 4 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
 4

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Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by Martin_L on Wednesday, 16 December 2015
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I see, thanks for reply Kai. The "Kultplatzbuch" is often regarded as a book basically utilising prehistory in order to create a popular esoteric bestseller. There is some information on the sites in it too, but many things are vague and esoteric. So if this book is the only reference for the alleged "rock art" here i guess there will be none. I assume the "ancient human traces" mentioned are the tool marks.
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    Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by KaiHofmann on Wednesday, 16 December 2015
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    I know the facts about this book. It was my first book about this themes many years ago. As I mentioned in my last reply, leave it as a "natural..." site. Though, I found frequently sites on MP which are not obvious "ancient", like the "Burg Altdahn" or the "Oberdollendorfer Steinkreis" or the "Kleinenberg Menhir" to name a few. I discussed with Johannes Groht who has written the book "Menhire in Deutschland" about this issue, he has made ​​me aware about the problem with the standing stones on MP. Many sites especially the german standing stones or the german "furrow"/cup-mark stones are not clearly datable. But nevertheless it is good to put all the sites to MP to point it and to show the coordinates of their location, perhaps somebody knows more about the archaeological backround in the future.
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    Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by Martin_L on Wednesday, 16 December 2015
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    The reason for my inquiry has been the fact, that it was filed under "Rock art" at first. And i was just curious to know if there is any. Because genuine "Rock Art" would be something quite sensational in that county where only few cup-marked boulders are known. I cannot see where i was referring to the age of the site. And yes, indeed Johannes Groht also mentions some nice standing stones of dubious age in his book, but i also think it is nice to include them. Same as the Megalithic Portal includes modern megaliths for example or natural stones / boulders / erratics with unknown prehistoric, but at least interesting historic relevance.
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      Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by KaiHofmann on Thursday, 17 December 2015
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      Thank you Martin for your reply. I see the same problem with the "Rock Art" theme in Germany. It would be probably good to have more "nuances" in the "Rock Art" type of site section (like it was some years ago?).
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        Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by Martin_L on Thursday, 17 December 2015
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        Yes Kai, good idea about the "nuances". Possibly a category for stones altered/decorated by humans without clear evidence of it being prehistoric rock art would possibly be helpful.
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Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by KaiHofmann on Wednesday, 16 December 2015
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I know this issue. I was there a several years ago, but can´t remember the exact condition of this stone. You are right Martin, on the internet images you can only see the typical tool-mark holes of a planned splitting of the boulder. But in the literature (different sources like the famous german "Kultplatzbuch" by G.Graichen and other web sources) is written about ancient human traces at this boulder as a part of the holy area of the Externsteine some km away. But nevertheless we could leave this site as a natural stone etc...." because the ancient character of the Externsteine is also not proven.
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Re: Leistruper Wald Opferstein I by Martin_L on Tuesday, 15 December 2015
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Afaik the stone only shows typical historic tool-marks left from attempts to split it with wedges, but no genuine cup-marks or anything prehistoric. Hence i suggest to file it under "Natural stone / erratic / ..."
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