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Neolithic and Bronze AgeSite Name: Maen Llia Alternative Name: Llia’s Stone
Country: Wales County: Powys Type: Standing Stone (Menhir)
 Nearest Village: Ystradfellte
Map Ref: SN9241719186  Landranger Map Number: 160
Latitude: 51.860852N  Longitude: 3.563677W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
4 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
4 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
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4 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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bishop_pam visited on 11th Sep 2021 - their rating: Cond: 5 Amb: 5 Access: 5

emh504 visited on 18th Sep 2020 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 4 Impressively large stone clearly visible from the road with a fantastic mountain backdrop

Brian_Eyes visited on 28th Jul 2020 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 5 Access: 4

TheCaptain visited on 3rd Oct 2018 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 4 Beautiful day out doing the 4 waterfalls walk to the south of Ystradfellte. After dinner at the New Inn, popped up to visit Maen Llia where we amazingly meet Cerrig, out doing some surveying, but the sun is hidden from him. He takes great pride in showing us some amazing features of Maen Llia, such as the flattened platform with a stone where a shadow would fall, and the place where the stones shadow (or toungue) would reach on solstice sunset. Brilliant!

Peaty10 visited on 7th Sep 2018 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 3 Short walk across a field but had to step over barbed wire using wooden steps first.

bat400 visited on 1st Aug 1985 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 4

SumDoood visited on 1st Jan 1967 - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 4 Impressive.

Twistytwirly visited - their rating: Cond: 4 Amb: 4 Access: 4

Andy B visited #1 in our rundown of favourite standing stones (and pairs) in Britain

Andy B cerrig hamish sem have visited here

Average ratings for this site from all visit loggers: Condition: 4.13 Ambience: 4.25 Access: 4

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : The day after the solstice. I thought I'd have it all to myself, but I got to share the stone with these delightful ladies instead. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Maen Llia Standing Stone is an elegant and imposing standing stone which is impressively situated in a remote position at the top of the Llia valley, along which it points directly north to south. It is a massive slab of a stone 3.8 metres in height, 2.8 metres across but only 0.9 metres thick and dominates the scenery in the austere moorland of Fforest Fawr.

See the comments and images below for investigations of solstice shadow effects at Maen Llia

Finding new features and angles of well known sites. There are upwards of seven stones in the recently discovered stone row which is roughly aligned on the Northern face of Maen Llia.

Note: Cerrig writes: The day after the solstice. I thought I'd have it all to myself, but I got to share the stone with these delightful ladies instead. Gong and drums, and an odd outline around the stone too. A nice gentle energy.
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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Maen Llia at the moment of maximum coverage . (8 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Sunset, 22 Jan 2013. (2 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Winter Solstice sunrise, 2009, after a dusting of snow the day before. (3 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : View showing how Maen Llia "points" at the centre of the star trails, otherwise known as the North Celestial Pole. Polaris, the present day North star, is not in the exact centre, and can be seen as the shortest trail. This image is composed of several hundred 30 second's long exposures. ISO 400. Tungsten white balance. Raw format . Manual exposure. 16mm focal length, set to infinity. ... (9 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : At the third stroke....it will be....3 reeds past the dandelion...precisely. Maen Llia doing it's sundial thing, about an hour before midday. (4 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Summer solstice sunrise-2012. One of a sequence of 500 photos in a time lapse of the sunrise. The curious finger of light, a result of reflections in the lens, seemed to be attracted to Maen Llia right through the sequence. (8 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Maen Llia, the Moon, and a planet. 2 days before Equinox, 2010. (5 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Winter solstice midmorning shadow, and my attempt to track it. Not as straightforward as it may seem! (11 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Taken shortly after the previous photo, This curious image turned up in the middle of a set of time lapsed photo's(20 sec's delay between each) I don't know the cause of the halo with it's green tinge, and it wasn't noticed on site either. A camera effect, or , something else? (4 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : A real life manifestation of the stone 'going down to the stream for a drink' - or its shadow at least! Not quite the solstice , a couple of days late . Kite aerial photo of the sunset shadow , and Maen Llia's new enclosure . No expense was wasted on the planning or erecting , a very frugal venture . (5 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by Johnny : Maen Llia Standing Stone (Powys, SN 924 193) "Llia’s Stone" is an elegant and imposing standing stone which is impressively situated in a remote position at the top of the Llia valley, along which it points directly north to south. It is a massive slab of a stone 3.8 metres in height, 2.8 metres across but only 0.9 metres thick and dominates the scenery in the austere moorland of Fforest Faw...

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Maen Llia submitted by Horatio : Maen Llia a beautiful name for a beautiful stone. I've been meaning to visit Maen Llia for years now but never got around to it until today. A round trip of 124 miles but boy it was worth it. Such a lovely stone in a very atmospheric location which I had all to myself. Not a lot to add about the stone as it has already been written about on here. All I can add is, if in the vicinity, then ... (16 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Maen Llia and a Perseid meteorite. I used my influence to book this particular one specially for the Megalithic Portal. (8 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Kite aerial photo. This shows Maen Llia sticking out her tongue, on it's way down to the nearby Afon Llia stream for a drink. This may interest anyone who heard Sem's talk during the latest Portal even in Derbyshire. (10 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : 1 day before the date of the Equinox. The sun had been hidden till it had risen this high by thick cloud, and then showed intermittently until the mist had finally burnt off. The sunrise position would have been about 1 sun diameter to the left of the stone's point here. A line drawn from this point through the sun is the angle that it follows as it rises into the sky. 2 things here are im... (4 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by Startrack : Maen Llia about 1982, passing by 9:30 pm in appalling weather, rain, heavy black sky, sun long gone over mountain behind me, just had to get out & take the pic but where did that awesome glow come from? Not visible in the landscape but the slides glow! For more info see There are many web sites, for example (not necessarily the best) http://www.stonepages.com/wales/maenllia.html and http://ww... (1 comment)

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : A Paul Blades original, and the original original. A fine match. Unfortunately my Photoshop skills don't do Paul's wonderful painting the justice it deserves. (6 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by Bladup : The wonderful Maen Llia. This Original Artwork in a glass frame is £39.99 + Postage (Just whatever it costs), and is 12 and a half cm by 18 cm. A limited (to a 100) edition print in a 8" x 10" glass frame would be £19.99 + £2.90 postage, E-mail me at paul.blades@rocketmail.com if interested. (7 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by carregwen : Maen Llia, nr Ystradfellte, Powys

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : From the left; Jonm, Sem and Caroline. At Maen Llia, on the hottest day of the year, just before it started raining and the fog came down. (3 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by rob_photographer : This really is a special site, with a very isolated feel to it. This one was shot about 10 years ago using a Canon 50D.

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Maen Llia submitted by rob_photographer : Taken a few years ago after a visit to the site, but I'm just re-editing some of my shots.

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Maen Llia submitted by cerrig : Just after midday, Equinox 2019. In the picture is Geoman, looking on, and the chap doing the technical stuff is someone who may be quite familiar to fellow members of the Portal. The 3 of us shared several mistyfying hours with Maen Llia. (2 comments)

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Maen Llia submitted by BrethynDa : Looking southwards at 7am on Wednesday, August 14 2002. Light rain and lots of mist!

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Summer solstice sunrise timelapse video by Andy B on Friday, 24 July 2020
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Cerrig's video of the solstice sunrise (and some fairies) from 2012:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSaZggFg4E0&feature=emb_title
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Re: Maen Llia by SumDoood on Friday, 29 December 2017
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What is it that contributors feel is particularly significant about the shadow cast by this stone?
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    Re: Maen Llia by cerrig on Friday, 29 December 2017
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    This was my opinion from a while ago now. It mostly still stands with some modification.

    "There is a common legend attached to many standing stones,right throughout the country. it tells of a certain time of the year,usually midsummer,when the local standing stone gets up and goes for a walk down to the local stream or lake. there may be more to this than an old wives tale.
    at sunset at midsummer,the shadow from Maen Llia is at its longest.it stretches for over 300 meters down the hill. it goes through the stream the afon Llia onto a small hillock. on top of this hillock is a cairn.
    the shadow,because of the shape of the stone and the angle of the setting sun,does indeed look like a tongue,and it could be seen as going down to the stream for a drink. if you combine this with the alternative translation for "Llia",which is to "lick or to lap", then "Maen Llia" is literally the licking stone, or the stone that licks(or laps).
    this raises the question,was this scenario a deliberate part of the design,or was it noticed after the stone was raised, and the name came from that?"

    The summer solstice shadow isn't quite that long now, but it may have been once.

    The significance is that the shadow and its path is a deliberate part of the design and not an accidental incidence.
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      Re: Maen Llia by Anonymous on Wednesday, 10 January 2018
      i thought lila in to english was purple ;.

      where did you get your translation from ?
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Re: Maen Llia by PAB on Monday, 06 April 2015
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On your screens shortly.....the Countryfile programme broadcast today (5th April) gave some tasters for a new 'Secret Britain' series starting this week.

It looks to me as if Maen Llia is about to get UK-wide fame:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02lx0fn

Sorry cerrig and sem, your peace about to be shattered....

pab
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    Re: Maen Llia by Runemage on Monday, 06 April 2015
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    It's a bit of an eye-opener to see people who aren't particularly interested in stones do a presentation, isn't it? On the upside, everyone who has questioned Cerrig's description of the shadow reaching the stream now has video evidence.
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    Re: Maen Llia by Andy B on Monday, 06 April 2015
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    Maen Llia is in the trailer shown this evening (for less than a second) as well...
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    Re: Maen Llia by sem on Monday, 06 April 2015
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    "at sunset at midsummer,the shadow from Maen Llia is at its longest.it stretches for over 300 meters down the hill. it goes through the stream the afon Llia onto a small hillock. on top of this hillock is a cairn.
    the shadow,because of the shape of the stone and the angle of the setting sun,does indeed look like a tongue,and it could be seen as going down to the stream for a drink. if you combine this with the alternative translation for "Llia",which is to "lick or to lap", then "Maen Llia" is literally the licking stone, or the stone that licks(or laps)."
    Quote from Cerrig above, dated 23/12/2009. Proof if ever it's required that the archaeos have nothing on us enthusiastic amateurs!
    WELL DONE ANDREW!!

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    Secret Britain - Water World of Wales by Andy B on Wednesday, 08 April 2015
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    Great visuals but the voice overs to this programme are full on cheese laid on with a trowel - the introduction to the segment on Maen Llia was reminiscent of Spinal Tap's Stonehenge. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02lr7sr
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      Re: Secret Britain - Water World of Wales by Sunny100 on Thursday, 09 April 2015
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      I think it was a good programme for the most part, in particular I enjoyed the Welsh cave with its beautiful calcite formations, and thought that Ellie Harrison was very brave to go down there. Maybe Adam Henson did a lot of "wowing" when he saw something spectacular - like Maen Llia for example - presumably he'd never seen a standing stone before, or as a farmer he'd never had the time. Overall, it was very good, and I look forward to the next programme.
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        Re: Secret Britain - Water World of Wales by cerrig on Friday, 10 April 2015
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        I've just watched this , on iplayer , and I quite enjoyed it but most people don't seem to be impressed, mostly with the narrative . The filming was excellent , although the leafy branch shadow on Maen Llia was a bit of a liberty , but otherwise great camerawork. I could have supplied them with a nice timelapse of the proper midsummer shadow , but that's another story. It was good for me because I've been to most of the places shown ( even the cave ) The piece about Maen Llia was a bit short and sweet , but it's about as much interest as the general public has in it . Many times I have seen a car pull up and it's occupants get out and take the short walk to the stone , have a little look around , and then they leave . 5 minutes is about average , they spend more time reading the notice board now.
        Still , it's nice to see Maen Llia on the tele without it's smiley face.
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Re: Maen Llia by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 April 2015
A monolith still standing after 3,000 years. A lady stone. Just so powerful
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Dismay as Maen Llia standing stone is vandalised (again) by Andy B on Friday, 28 June 2013
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Brecon Beacons National Park Authority is seeking to highlight the importance of the National Park’s heritage sites after a Bronze Age standing stone was vandalised, as it was previously in 2002.

At some time over the last few weeks Maen Llia standing stone, a Scheduled Ancient Monument situated between Heol Senni and Ystradfellte, has been defaced, with graffiti daubed on the protected stone.

The iconic 3.7 metre tall standing stone attracts visitors from around the world and is recognised as a site of national archaeological importance. It is likely that the stone was erected in the Late Neolithic or Early Bronze Age between 2500 and 1800 BC.

Brecon Beacons National Park Authority is currently working with CADW (the Welsh Government’s historic environment service) and landowners to arrange for the graffiti to be sensitively removed. Removal of the offending substance will be a slow and careful process undertaken by professionals who may have to use on-site trials to assess the most appropriate methods and materials to remove the substance.

Natalie Ward, Heritage Officer for Brecon Beacons National Park Authority, said: “The heritage of the National Park is the legacy left to us by our ancestors and it contains a wealth of information about past peoples and their lives. The person who did this may well think it was harmless fun but archaeological sites like Maen Llia are fragile and causing damage to a Scheduled Ancient Monument is a criminal offence. Criminal acts like this can cause irreversible damage. Heritage sites and monuments don’t belong to a single person, landowner or public body – they belong to all of us. We inherited them from our ancestors and it’s important that we take care of these sites to pass on to future generations to enjoy.”

Martin Buckle, Brecon Beacons National Park Authority’s Member Champion for Heritage, added: “The vandalism that has occurred to Maen Llia standing stone cannot be condoned. You could compare it with spraying graffiti on a castle. It may be, however, that the perpetrator did not understand the site’s importance. We hope that by highlighting this issue we can raise awareness of our ancient monuments and help protect them.”

Causing damage to a Scheduled Ancient Monument is a criminal offence, and the graffiti at Maen Llia has been reported to Dyfed-Powys Police.

Source: Brecon Beacons National Park Authority

With thanks to Angie Lake for the link
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    Re: Dismay as Maen Llia standing stone is vandalised (again) by sem on Friday, 28 June 2013
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    DocP gave me a link to this a couple of days ago, but I haven't had time to chase it up. It does raise a couple of interesting questions though. The lack of respect for ancient monuments notwithstanding, do we need to get our knickers in a twist over a bit of paint when there is graffiti carved into the stone - albeit "historical" graffti from a couple of centuries ago.
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      Re: Dismay as Maen Llia standing stone is vandalised (again) by Runemage on Friday, 28 June 2013
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      Trouble is... if anyone knew the chemical composition of the paint used it would be easy to remove with something that would also not damage the stone.
      However, because the paint type is unknown then whatever remover is used must not cause a reaction that would further damage the stone. There's very little room room for trial and error.
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Upland Historic Walks in South Wales by Runemage on Monday, 16 April 2012
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copied from another site-page.
Upland historic walks in South Wales
by Andy B on Thursday, 05 April 2012

This walk, and others in the same vein, may interest some people here. A few new discoveries in this one.
http://www.rcahmw.gov.uk/media/276.pdf

THE FAN LLIA AND FAN DRINGARTH WALK
Overall distance: 13.5 kilometres or 8.5 miles
Altitudinal range: 360 metres (car park); 400 metres (Llia valley); 500 metres

This walk follows a course along the western slopes of Fan Llia to the head of the Llia valley, across Bryn Melyn and Cefn Perfedd into Cwm Dringarth and tributary stream valleys below Fan Dringarth, and down Cwm Dringarth above the Ystradfellte Reservoir, returning to the carpark across the southern extent of Cefn Perfedd.

The walk is notable for monuments of prehistoric, medieval and post-medieval date which can be seen along its route. This is a quiet area for walking being well hidden from more popular routes.
The starting point is the parking and picnic area at SN92721646 on the
unclassified road between Ystradfellte and Heol Senni which can be accessed on the south via the A4125 from Sennybridge and Defynnog. [1]

with thanks to Cerrig
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Re: Maen Llia by cerrig on Saturday, 13 March 2010
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Re: Maen Llia by cerrig on Wednesday, 23 December 2009
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there is a common legend attached to many standing stones,right throughout the country. it tells of a certain time of the year,usually midsummer,when the local standing stone gets up and goes for a walk down to the local stream or lake. there may be more to this than an old wives tale.
at sunset at midsummer,the shadow from Maen Llia is at its longest.it stretches for over 300 meters down the hill. it goes through the stream the afon Llia onto a small hillock. on top of this hillock is a cairn.
the shadow,because of the shape of the stone and the angle of the setting sun,does indeed look like a tongue,and it could be seen as going down to the stream for a drink. if you combine this with the alternative translation for "Llia",which is to "lick or to lap", then "Maen Llia" is literally the licking stone, or the stone that licks(or laps).
this raises the question,was this scenario a deliberate part of the design,or was it noticed after the stone was raised, and the name came from that?
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