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Submitted by TimPrevett on Monday, 31 October 2016  Page Views: 18008

Neolithic and Bronze AgeSite Name: Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Country: Wales
NOTE: This site is 1.272 km away from the location you searched for.

County: Powys Type: Multiple Stone Rows / Avenue
Nearest Town: Oswestry  Nearest Village: Llanrhaeadr
Map Ref: SJ0579530205  Landranger Map Number: 125
Latitude: 52.861058N  Longitude: 3.400684W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
4 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
3 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
2 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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SandyG visited on 27th Aug 2018 - their rating: Cond: 3 Amb: 5 Access: 1 Car parking is available at SJ 07616 29378 or more secure paid for parking at SJ 07376 29504. From here take the footpath to SJ 07511 29906 and then follow it up the side of the steep slope. At the top follow the path to SJ 06047 30185 before crossing a narrow gorge and heading up the hill to the row.

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Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup : Rhos y Beddau (Rows), Looking West along a row [Southern row] towards the circle [The furthest away stones are circle stones]. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Multiple Stone Rows in Powys. This is not a stone site to visit unprepared! Set well up in a remote part of the Berwyn mountains, you need good weather conditions, an OS map, some good walking boots, a sense of direction and a dose of lunacy may help!

(Written Oct 2004) It is situated about 10 miles south west of Oswestry, near Wales' tallest waterfall Pistyll Rhaedr (taller than the Niagara Falls). The name means "The Spout of Rhea's Water", Rhea being a celtic land goddess. Travelling south of Oswestry on the A483(T), turn west at Llynclys for Llanrhaedr-ym-Mochnant, in the Tanat Valley, on the B4396. Going through Llanrhaedr, watch out for a fairly obscure right turn for the waterfall; this is the only road. Both drivers I have been here with missed the turn on their first visit! About 3 miles along this road, you should see the waterfall swing into view. There is parking: £1 donation for the nearest to the waterfall; or (apparently) free a bit further back down the road.

I had been wanting to visit this site for several months, but lacked a suitable travelling companion, the time, and better weather conditions. Alas, a time came when I had a week off work, I had a friend willing to drive there and accompany me to the site (I had begun to attempt visiting this site with my pregnant wife, and 15 month old daugther, but had to give up!), and the weather forecast was good!

On arrival, the manager of Tan-y-Pistyll restaurant was in the car park. After a few brief words, I asked if the stone circle was still there, which it was; he gave me advice on how to find the stones, which came in invaluable (which I will also recount). Having looked around the waterfall, we set off up a track, which leads through some trees, then forks to the left, and zig-zags a few times. This is the steepest part of the journey! Follow the track up to the left. You will soon see access to the top of the waterfall (recommended viewing!), but keep going along the track for the stone site.

Heading westwards, stay on the lower path which runs about 200 yards parallel to the stream (Afon Disgynfa) on your left, for most of the journey. Some of the areas up here are very boggy, so watch your footing and plan your steps. Shortly after a fence and metal sheep enclosures, the path forks; take the lower path down to some fallen stone sheep enclosures, adjacent to the stream. The upper path is considerably more boggy, and brings you out too high to easily access the stone circle. Once at the sheep enclosures, you should see a rise between the dominant mountains, to the north west. You are nearly there! If you look at your OS map, you should be at the confluence of two streams; one running from the north, feeding the stream which feeds the waterfall. You will need to find your own way across this stream! Look for suitably large stones / rocks in the stream to go across! Once across, look to the rise immediately to your front right. Refer to your OS map once again. Just to the north there is a further confluence of streams, and west of that confluence is marked a cairn, and then a little further west, the stone circle.

Treading your way up through the bracken on the ridge (there is no path here!), head for the cairn, which is on the highest part of the ridge. Do not go to the N or NE side of this ridge - it is extremely boggy and wet. We approached from this angle, and it was a little alarming at how the ground sunk when trod on! The moor, and Berwyn mountains have many 'blanket bogs'; they are not mapped as such and are usually armpit deep; even so, I would not like to meet one. Once at the ridge you should see the cairn. To the east, if it is a good day, you will have an awesome view. To your SW, you should see a slightly lower ridge, about 300 feet away. It is unlikely you will see the stone circle from the cairn, as the stones, at the tallest are around 2 to 3 feet, and the area is covered with long grass. If you head towards the slightly lower ridge, and just keep your eyes peeled for some stones protruding from the grass.

I found the circle first of all, some 17 stones, with another stone in the middle. 3 stones were barely visible, 2 were sunken, 3 fallen sideways. The remainder varied in height from 10 inches, to 3 feet, approx. The circle was about 37 feet in diameter, and 120 feet in circumference. Feeling rather pleased with finding this, I went to the east side, and found another stone, and then another, treading down the grass in front of me. Eventually, I found 24 stones in a row this way, stretching some 150 feet. Running parallel to this was another row, coming to 19 stones. I felt each step carefully, finding some completely sunken stones this way. Both rows had the majority of stones in exact alignment with each other, with a few out of line. The northernmost row (19 stones) towards the eastern end, tapers in towards the southern row.

Interestingly, the site's name (Rhos-Y-Beddau) means 'The Moor of the Graves', which may show a connection with burial or funerary rites for the site. Although the weather forecast was sunshine all day, black clouds, and a strong SW wind was adding quite a chill up here, so we stayed at the most for half an hour. Later at home, seeing the satellite picture of the country, the skies were clear apart from the East of the country, and a blob over central Wales!

En route down we looked around the waterfall; if you do this, mind the mud! I trod in what looked 2 to 3 inches of mud, and went immediately down to my knee (thankfully only one leg!), which was rather worrying for a short space of time.

Do bear in mind that the whole area is a Site of Special Scientfic Interest, and the moor is a breeding ground for rare birds. Hen harriers, Peregrin falcons and Red Kites. Take care, and do not take anything or cause any damage!

Update November 2019: More information about this alignment can be found on the Stone Rows of Great Britain - see their entry for Rhos y Beddau, which includes a description, a plan of the row from a survey carried out in August 2018 (showing its relationship to the adjacent stone circle to its western end), photographs of the double rows and their individual stones, access information and links to online resources for more information.

The row is also recorded as Coflein NPRN 300389 (Rhos-y-Beddau Stone Circle and Avenue) and scheduled as MG032 (Rhos-y-Beddau Stone Circle, Avenue and Cairn ).
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Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : For a sense of scale: the group in the distance are lunching on the SE perimeter of the circle; myself and my friend here are nearly at the end of the rows... those two rows form an avenue of some distance. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : The ENE end of the rows terminate near a large cairn, before the land drops into a clough. The south side of the cairn has this large (fallen?) stone in its fabric. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : The ENE end of the rows terminate near a large cairn, before the land drops into a clough. The grass makes it hard to photo, but the arc of the cairn is quite visible here. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Plan of Rhos y Beddau stone row (Source: survey by Sandy Gerrard at 1:500). Stones forming part of the double row are shown black whilst those of the adjacent circle are depicted red. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : View from above and east looking along the row from the eastern end towards the south circle (Scale 1m). (Vote or comment on this photo)

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : The southern row approaching the stone circle. The ranging rod denotes the position of the western stone in the southern row. View from above and east (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Looking west along the row. The ranging rod denotes the position of the western stone in the southern row. The stones beyond form part of the stone circle (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Some of the stones are hiding in bracken (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Five stones forming part of the southern row. View from north west (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Length of row approaching the stone circle. View from east (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Row leading towards the stone circle. View from east (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : View from east highlighting the position of the row in the landscape.

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by SandyG : Stones forming part of the row. View from north (Scale 1m).

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup : Rhos y Beddau (Rows), Showing the double stones of the row. Looking down the valley East South East towards the site of the wonderful and very visited Pistyll Rhaeadr waterfall.

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup : Rhos y Beddau (Rows), Looking West along a row towards the circle [The furthest away stone is a circle stone].

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup : Rhos y Beddau (Rows), looking east.

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup : Rhos y Beddau (Rows), Part of the kerb cairn that's to be found just to the North East of the Eastern end of the stone row.

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by Bladup

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by postman : Looking east ish away from the circle

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by postman : Looking west ish back up to the circle

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : Towards the end of the time here, a group of people made their way to the circle for some refreshment; they seemed oblivious to where they were lunching, apart from a feature on a map, and we wondered what they made of my nerdish enthusiasm for stone circles! Taken from a little way back on the rows.

Rhos y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : Looking from the rows to the crest of the rise, where the stone circle is situated.

Rhos Y Beddau (Rows)
Rhos Y Beddau (Rows) submitted by TimPrevett : Rhos-y-Beddau Stone Rows 4th Photo GR: SJ058302 (2 comments)

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Re: Rhos y Beddau (Rows) by SandyG on Sunday, 06 January 2019
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[updated - thank you! admin] The NGR is SJ 05795 30205. Currently the row is shown to the west of the circle when it is actually to the east.
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Re: Rhos y Beddau by Pryderi on Saturday, 05 November 2016
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First, congratulations on the brave attempt at logging these long forgotten monuments on the bleak Berwyn mountains. In the 12th century this topography helped to defeat Henry 11 in his third failed expedition into North Wales opposed by Owain Gwynedd. Wet, exhausted, hungry, and harassed by Welsh guerrillas, Henry's vast international army went home never to return.

Second, on a point of Welsh orthography, 'Pistyll Rhaeadr' does not mean the 'Spout of Rhea - a Celtic land Goddess' which admittedly is a preferred romantic association.

Whereas 'pistyll' has come to mean 'waterfall' its origin is in the Celtic word and prefix, 'pis' which, not to put too fine a point on it, means 'piss' and refers to 'a stream of falling water' a notion I will return to shortly. 'Pistyll' originally meant therefore a 'tap or faucet' (pistol) and 'pistyllio': 'to gush out' the vernacular Old English 'pizzle'.

'Rhaedr' or 'rhaeadr' on the other hand has also come to mean 'waterfall' but its origin is in the Celtic 'rhuo' which refers to the noise of falling water so 'rhuo -dwr' ('dwr': 'water') > 'rhaeadr' which technically translates 'cataract' with 'rhyad' meaning: 'the sound of waves'. 'Rhuo' is related to 'rhuthr' and 'rhuthro': 'impetuosity, force, violence; a furious gushing forth'.

As a matter of interest only, 'rhuthr' is cognate with 'aruthr' and interesting metathesis of 'arthur' and the name of 'Arthur's' father 'Uthr' without the superfluous 'ar' prefix. While we are in the Arthurian realm, we can also look at 'Urien Rheged'. 'Rheged' is cognate with the variant 'rheawdr' and means: 'that which runs or flows' and is a metathesis of 'rhedeg': 'to run' whereas 'urien' is etymologically derived from 'urine' so 'Urien Rheged': 'a stream of piss' but this is undistinguished from 'the ejaculation of semen' and this is important because it represents a fertility metaphor. The fact is that the Arthuriad is 'awash' with hydronyms as fertility metaphors - but that's another story.

Hope you find this interesting and not annoyingly pedantic.
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Re: Rhos y Beddau (Rows) by Anonymous on Wednesday, 02 November 2016
I visited this site several years ago, and from memory it wasn't a particularly arduous journey. There is a path from the top of the waterfall that follows the valley up into the hills. The stone rows are found on the northern side of the stream close to the valley floor. It really is quite complex, with stones hiding everywhere in the ferns.
Just one word of caution, I went in the summer and brought back some unwelcome passengers, sheep tics. So long trousers would be advisable, and tuck them into your socks!
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Re: Rhos y Beddau by StevieAxeman on Friday, 28 February 2003
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I had the fortune to visit this site in December 2002, and was pleased at readnig Tim's report to find that I was not the only recent visitor. I was a little surprised though at Tim's comments that it is difficult to access. Is this to discourage others from visiting? A map and a pair of walking boots would suffice.
I did however find considerably more features than Tim has listed above. I do feel this site is worth some serious study if anyone has the time and resources.
There is indeed a couple of stone rows - but also groups of stones arranged pointing East, South and West on the sides of the mound itself. Quite a number of these stones appear to have the same "notch" carving into the sides/top of the stones. This may be decorative or architectural? I have photos which I will post when time allows. I would not be surprised if this is indeed a burial mound, as yet happily unexcavated. There are sone other features of note.
A large slate stone has been erected (from memory about 150 years ago) on the east side of the mound - it describes itself as a boundary stone for the landowners of the time.
There is also - on crossing to the cairn and circle - a couple of small stepped waterfalls which are very obviously man made. The soil in two pools have been removed down to gravel and bare rock, and the stream redirected to form the pools - one above the other. It is unlikely that past farmers will have done this as there is no shortage of fresh water for animals in the area. Possibly the landscaping has some relation to the stone works? There is also at least one large flat stone which looks to have moving to position next to the pools.
Also for any interested in wildlife - do not approach the tall tree growing in the dip between the cairn and path - as it has a harrier or kite nest - a spring trip may be recommended to see if any chicks have arrived !
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