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<< Our Photo Pages >> Carreg Clocaenog - Standing Stone (Menhir) in Wales in Denbighshire

Submitted by SteCymru14 on Wednesday, 12 April 2023  Page Views: 3455

Early Medieval (Dark Age)Site Name: Carreg Clocaenog Alternative Name: Clocaenog Stone, Carreg Rhyd-y-beddau, Croes Rhyd-y-beddau, Bryn y Beddau, Pool Park Ogham Stone
Country: Wales
NOTE: This site is 0.646 km away from the location you searched for.

County: Denbighshire Type: Standing Stone (Menhir)
Nearest Town: Rhuthun  Nearest Village: Clocaenog
Map Ref: SJ0991755605
Latitude: 53.090028N  Longitude: 3.346558W
Condition:
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4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
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5 Access:
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4Short walk on a footpath
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2A long walk
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Carreg Clocaenog submitted by SteCymru14 : Difficult to see both the Latin text and Ogham inscriptions. Can just make out Ogham on the right edge of the stone here. Anodd gweld y Lladin a’r Ogam. Gellir gweld yr Ogam ar ochr dde’r garreg. (Vote or comment on this photo)
An inscribed standing stone in north Wales right next to the Grade II listed Pool Park house near Rhuthun (Ruthin). The stone has both Latin and Ogham present on the face and edges of the stone respectively. It was originally sited at Bedd Emlyn and was removed to Pool Park sometime in the early 19th century, possibly around 1810. This stone is a replica, was installed in 1936, and the original stone is in the National Museum of Wales. The stone was on loan in the musuem before being formally donated in 2001.

It was inspected by Edward Lhuyd in the 16th century - the Latin inscription mentions the word ‘*TOVISACI’ and it is from this word the Irish ‘taoiseach’ (= chieftain, president) and the Welsh ‘tywysog’ (= prince, leader) derive.

A lovely place. The stone is on the left when approaching the old house.

Hyfryd o le. Mae’r garreg ar y chwith wrth nesáu at yr hen dŷ.

Stephen writes: There is no mention of this stone on Coflein (as far as I know), but their record for the Pool Park can be found at Coflein 266369 POOL PARK, GARDEN, EFENECHTYD.
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Re: Carreg Clocaenog by Anonymous on Tuesday, 25 April 2023
The previous comment has the correct information about the stone; the genuine stone’s location is at the National Museum of Wales. A mould was made of the stone at some point and an exact copy was made to replace the actual stone at Pool Park. The only rubbing diagram to be found seems less legible than that of the actual inscription seen in photos.
The best image of this stone can be seen in a Welsh language Wikipedia entry under the title Croes Rhyd-Y-Beddau (although the entry gives erroneous information about the authenticity of the copy stone at Pool Park).
The above comment makes an interesting point about the personal name of Similini being possibly an ancient version of Emlyn. One wonders even if the ‘S’ is actually an ‘E’ and the name on the stone is Eimilini, as the first letter beards a striking resemblance to the first letter, being an E, on the Caldey Island Stone. It may well be the local name of Bedd Emlyn passed down generationally is correct.
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The Pool Park Ogham Stone by Andy B on Tuesday, 11 April 2023
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A detailed blog post answering many of the questions about this stone is here:

Sometime in the early 19th century, possibly around 1810, workmen in the employ of William Bagot, the 2nd Baron Bagot of Pool Park House, removed one of perhaps three standing stones from the mysterious ring cairn of Bedd Emlyn, the remains of which are now hidden away in the Clocaenog Forest. Such acts were thought to be fraught with danger - apt to bring misfortune, fearful dreams and despair. And it would seem the removal of what became known as the Pool Park Ogham Stone, an ancient inscribed pillar, was not without its difficulties. It is said that it took three separate attempts to remove the inscribed stone, before the workmen were able to successfully cart it to Pool Park House.

The early history of the stone and Bedd Emlyn are thus entwined. The site and the stone were said to have been the site of a terrible ancient battle, in which ‘strangers’ invading the lands about Ruthin were finally brought to ground and slaughtered. The stone was raised by the victorious ‘natives’ as a memorial. Despite the name of the site being now popularly known as Bedd Emlyn, it may well be the case that this is a corruption of an earlier name, perhaps Maen y Beddau, or Bryn Beddau - both of which would make more sense, given its legendary reputation.

More at
https://www.mythslegendsodditiesnorth-east-wales.co.uk/pool-park-ogham-stone

With thanks to @LichfieldLore on Twitter for the info.
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Re: Carreg Clocaenog by Anonymous on Saturday, 18 July 2020
I would love to visit this stone. But I was under the impression from another site that it had been moved to the National Museum. Was it easy to find?
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    Re: Carreg Clocaenog by Andy B on Tuesday, 11 April 2023
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    Hello, this stone is a replica and the original is in the National Museum of Wales, not on display it seems. This replica stone is on the left when approaching the old house. I've updated this page with the details.
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      Re: Carreg Clocaenog by Anonymous on Friday, 14 April 2023
      It’s actually the other way around; a replica of the stone can be found at the National Museum and the stone at Pool Park is the original stone, looted from its original site known as Bedd Emlyn in Clocaenog Forest. Emlyn may well be a vernacular of the inscribed name SIMILINI found on the stone. We deduce obviously his status as chieftain from the second inscription of TOVISACI. The personal name of Similini would no doubt have been spoken without the inclusion of the letter I at the end, giving some food for thought. Perhaps the local vernacular of Emlyn isn’t far off the mark, or maybe an older version of the name Cemlyn?
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